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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are still trying to misdirect the audiences attention while you change the topic.
You have asserted that some entity claimed to have created the universe. So far you have still never presented any evidence that that such an entity exists or that such an entity made such a claim. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pbee Member (Idle past 6050 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:That is the worst attempt at recovery that I have seen to date(next to the last one). The earth exists as do we, just as God the entity claimed. Can you prove Him wrong?
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The earth exists as do we, just as God the entity claimed. Can you prove Him wrong? You have still failed to present any evidence that God exists or that God made such a claim. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
pbee writes: The earth exists as do we, just as God the entity claimed. Once and for all, there is no claim by God. There are claims by men that claim to be claims by God. There are multiple, mutually-exclusive claims that supposedly came from God. They can't all be true. You'd have to pick one of those claims and show that it and it alone is a claim made by God Himself, before it could be considered a claim "by God". “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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pbee Member (Idle past 6050 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Well thats that the best of the crop thus far. I fully agree, nowheres does it say in Gen 1:1, that it was God who stated He created the heavens and the earth in. Here is a more direct claim found in (Job 38:1,11) Referenced
38. (1) And after Elihu had ceased from speaking, the Lord spoke to Job through the whirlwind and clouds, saying, (2) “Who is this that hides counsel from Me, and confines words in his heart, and thinks to conceal them from Me? (3) Gird your loins like a man, and I will ask you, and you shall answer Me!
(4) “Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me now, if you have knowledge. (5) Who set the measures of it, if you know? Or who stretched a line upon it? (6) On what are its rings fastened? And who is He that laid the cornerstone upon it? (7) When the stars were made, all My angels praised Me with a loud voice. (8) And I shut up the sea with gates, when it rushed out, coming forth out its mother’s womb. (9) And I made a cloud its clothing, and swathed it in mist. (10) And I set boundaries for it, surrounding it with bars and gates. (11) And I said to it, ”To this point you shall come, but you shall not go beyond, but your waves shall be confined within you.’
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pbee Member (Idle past 6050 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Thats true, then again... I never took it upon myself to prove God exists. What I did do however, was present you with the fact that we have numerous written claims that God does exist. We also have numerous claims by people who testified God's existence by seeing and experiencing His works first hand. In light of these claims, can you provide evidence that He does not exist? Do you have anything to bring to the table to refute these claims?
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What I did do however, was present you with the fact that we have numerous written claims that God does exist. That is irrelevant. We have claims that fairies exist and that James Bond exists.
In light of these claims, can you provide evidence that He does not exist? Again, irrelevant. Claims themselves are worthless unless supported by confirming external material and outside evidence. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pbee Member (Idle past 6050 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:To my knowledge. it is possible that fairies exist, I have never looked into it. As for James Bond, I was under the impression that his identity rest solely as a movie character. Has anyone claimed he was an actual person? quote:Again, you struggle with repetition. We all know the claims were cross referenced by others and in harmony with external evidence(historical). Lest not forget the existence of the earth. jar despite your notable capacity to disagree, I think it is safe to say you have nothing tangible to bring into this argument. Which is quite sad really. If I were an atheist, I would have no problems pointing out why I thought God did not exist. I refuse to believe that all those participating here are at a loss against the original posters topic. I can only assume that we are dealing with defiance and contempt.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Still more false assertions.
We all know the claims were cross referenced by others and in harmony with external evidence(historical). You are still just making totally false assertion. No we do not "all know the claims were cross referenced by others and in harmony with external evidence(historical)" and we also know that many of the so called historical incidents in the so called Bible are simply false. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pbee Member (Idle past 6050 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Well, do tell then. This is what this thread is all about isn't it?
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:The Book of Job is fiction. There's a conversation between God and Satan. So how can a claim in a fictional writing be considered an actual claim by God? Unless of course the God in the story is a fictional character. So you still have no proof an actual god made such a claim.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
pbee writes: ... nowheres does it say in Gen 1:1, that it was God who stated He created the heavens and the earth in. Any claim written in the Bible is irrelevant. Right now, I can tell you that there is no milk in my fridge and there is no elephant on my couch. Anybody can come into my house and repeat the observation. There will be a pretty clear consensus that there is no milk in my fridge and no elephant on my couch. No claim made in the Bible has any value until it can be similarly verified by a consensus of observers. Somebody made the argument earlier that if God is everywhere, He must be in my fridge and on my couch. The absence of milk in my fridge is pretty obvious and the absence of elephants on my couch is pretty obvious. Many would also fail to observe God in my fridge and on my couch. Unless you can explain how the God-sensing apparatus has failed, we have a pretty good first-approximation case that God isn't in my fridge or on my couch. Therefore, He isn't everywhere. Granted, that doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that He isn't anywhere, but it shows that the claims in the Bible aren't all true. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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pbee Member (Idle past 6050 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
I'm not sure that milk and God are comparable in a case such as this. Your overlooking the possibility that God could be in your fridge, on your couch and in everything molecule that makes us. Based on the information provided regarding God's markup the claim is plausible.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6050 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:I see no problem with a conversation between God and Satan. I doubt this is isolated either. I think there are a few who believe Satan is not real, however, I have read the information to that effect and concluded that according to the scriptures, he is indeed real. So, this is a matter of personal belief and oppinion.
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Jon Inactive Member |
We could (for example) cross reference the material against ... historical evidence. Would that be the historical evidence that you've been asked to provide multiple times, having failed to provide it following the first request, the second request, and each request thereafter? Is there historical evidence? If so, where? Jon In considering the Origin of Species, it is quite conceivable that a naturalist... might come to the conclusion that each species had not been independently created, but had descended, like varieties, from other species. - Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ En el mundo hay multitud de idiomas, y cada uno tiene su propio significado. - I Corintios 14:10_ _ _ _ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ A devout people with its back to the wall can be pushed deeper and deeper into hardening religious nativism, in the end even preferring national suicide to religious compromise. - Colin Wells Sailing from Byzantium
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