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bluegenes
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Message 13 of 307 (421012)
09-10-2007 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
09-10-2007 5:16 PM


jar writes:
If you had been brought up in a religious environment that encouraged questioning any and all facets of faith, and one where the leaders had not tried to insist that obvious falsehoods like the Flood or Garden of Eden or the Exodus myth or the Tyre prophecy were fact, would it have made a difference?
In my case, no. I grew up with non-literalist Christianity, and left it. I see your point, as there's actually nothing in scientific knowledge that really cuts directly across the beliefs of my childhood, but reason and general knowledge are a problem for all religions, and I think that the concept of religious faith is the enemy of reason and any serious search for truth.
If all Christians were brought up in an environment that "encouraged questioning of any and all facets of faith", as you put it, Christianity would not last very long as a widespread belief. The same goes for other religions. They rely on indoctrinating children to perpetuate themselves. That's why, fairly obviously, we can accurately predict that the majority of children growing up in the U.S. now will consider themselves Christians when they're 21 years old, the majority in India, Hindus, and the majority in Egypt, Muslims, etc.
I don't think Christianity can perpetuate itself for too long in the west either by being literal or liberal. It's doomed either way.

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bluegenes
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Message 90 of 307 (421140)
09-11-2007 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Archer Opteryx
09-11-2007 4:36 AM


Re: Which is supreme?
Archer Opterix writes:
Let's ask the corresponding question of our atheists, too. Just to be fair.
If you ever had to choose between atheism or truth, which would you choose?
Truth, obviously. Atheism, for me, is not having any active belief in any Gods, just as most of us don't actively believe in fairies or unicorns. By definition, atheists are sticklers for evidence, and great respecters of it. So, if presented with convincing evidence indicating that any particular God or pantheon of Gods actually existed, then I'd happily go along with the apparent truth of their existence.
Not believing in Gods is of no emotional importance to me in itself. I just see no reason to do so. I'd still be anti-religious, only exempting one of the religions if it turned out that it was correct in respect to these newly discovered true Gods, which I think would be extremely unlikely, as religions all bear the hallmarks of local human inventions when their origins are examined.

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bluegenes
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Message 207 of 307 (421705)
09-13-2007 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Cold Foreign Object
09-13-2007 9:56 PM


Ex-Christians
CFO writes:
the muddled and convoluted mind of Arach (= a "closet" Atheist).
How many Christians have you ex-communicated on this thread, Ray? If you keep on like this all your life, you'll be the only one in heaven when your time comes. You'll be lonely.
Are Catholics Christians?
Whoever the evolutionists condemn are the most right, this is invulnerable logic.
No evolutionist would condemn you. We think you're great, Ray. You impart invaluable wisdom to us all. How would we know who is or is not a Christian without your guidance?
Keep up the good work.

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bluegenes
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Message 267 of 307 (422284)
09-16-2007 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Cold Foreign Object
09-16-2007 6:00 PM


A thrilling read
CFO writes:
Atheists are horribly biased against the Bible and their opinions concerning the Scriptures are, of course, entirely predictable and predetermined.
Why should I approach the Bible with bias? I've always enjoyed fiction with lots of blood and guts type action, so I could be prejudiced in its favour.

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