Proof for God's Non-existance?

You have to be more specific than "the ancient scriptures". If you mean "the Bible", say so. Of course not. Robinson Crusoe purports to have been written by Robinson Crusoe. Fiction written by a fictional character is still fiction.

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In that case, there are a vast number of mutually exclusive god-characters in the "ancient scriptures". It would be impossible to choose one as authentic. I have a biography of James Bond that claims to be real. It contains interviews with the "real James Bond". Does that mean James Bond is real?

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Once and for all, there is no claim by God.There are claims by men that claim to be claims by God. There are multiple, mutually-exclusive claims that supposedly came from God. They can't all be true.You'd have to pick one of those claims and show that it and it alone is a claim made by God Himself, before it could be considered a claim "by God".

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Any claim written in the Bible is irrelevant.Right now, I can tell you that there is no milk in my fridge and there is no elephant on my couch. Anybody can come into my house and repeat the observation. There will be a pretty clear consensus that there is no milk in my fridge and no elephant on my couch.No claim made in the Bible has any value until it can be similarly verified by a consensus of observers.Somebody made the argument earlier that if God is everywhere, He must be in my fridge and on my couch. The absence of milk in my fridge is pretty obvious and the absence of elephants on my couch is pretty obvious. Many would also fail to observe God in my fridge and on my couch.Unless you can explain how the God-sensing apparatus has failed, we have a pretty good first-approximation case that God isn't in my fridge or on my couch. Therefore, He isn't everywhere.Granted, that doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that He isn't anywhere, but it shows that the claims in the Bible aren't all true.

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No, I'm not overlooking that possibility at all. I mentioned that very possibility in my last post. I specifically asked you to explain how so many observers fail to detect God. If you have no explanation for why an observation was made, you have no basis to discount the obvervation.Explain, or the observation stands: there is no God in my fridge.(Hint: you can't use the Bible in your explanation, because it hasn't been verified as a reliable source.) There hasn't been any "information" provided regarding God's markup, or even His makeup. You have asserted what you believe, but you've shown nothing that a consensus can observe and agree on.Edited by Ringo, : Spellelling.Edited by Ringo, : Clarified by removing a superfluous "not".

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You have it backwards. The source has to be verified.Those who question the source don't have to prove to your satisfaction that your source is unreliable. You need to show evidence that your source is not fiction.Now, I have observed no God in my fridge. If you claim that my observation is wrong, you have to explain why it's wrong. Does the Detect-o-God need new batteries?And Curious George is not an acceptable source either.

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I know that's all your saying. I'd like you to be answering the question: Why do I fail to observe God in my fridge if He's "everywhere"? If I fail to observe God, in fact anywhere, why?The general rule is that if something exists, it can be observed, repeatably, by objective observers. Through millions of observers repeatably failing to observe God, we can reason inductively that He can not be observed (does not exist).The problem with the claimed positive observations of God - such as yours - is that they are not repeatable. Christians observe one thing, Muslims observe something else and Raelians observe something else again. It can be concluded that at least some of their observations must be false positives.You need to explain why the Raelians' and the ancient Egyptians' observations were wrong - and you need to explain why the negatives are "false" negatives.Edited by Ringo, : Added missing apostrophe - oh, those posessive Raelians.

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You have got to be kidding. My fridge is chock-full of atoms.Observations don't have to be direct, you know.

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Your source is unverified. The criterion is objective observers. Once again, if somebody fails to agree with the observation, you need to explain why.

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Pay attention. Observations have to be objective - i.e. a Mormon has to see the same God in your fridge that you see.

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You'll have to roll out that "outstanding number or people and accounts" and have them all independently verified and agree with each other before your assertion has any value.

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Not at all. All of our history has been evaluated and verified as I have described. I'm only asking that your claims be subjected to the same tests as any other claims.Since you make no attempt to back up your claims, I assume you can't.

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And Ian Fleming wrote that James Bond acknowledged the existence of Goldfinger.To sum up: there is a lack of evidence for God's existence. Inductively, that suggests non-existence. And the best counter you have is that some guy said some guy believed in God.

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