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NosyNed
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Message 14 of 83 (41870)
05-31-2003 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by John
05-31-2003 6:34 PM


QM
A great deal of the predictions of QM were considered to be impossible. Take "spooky action at a distance". But as we learn more it gets worse and worse.
The universe is not only, as someone said, queerer than we imagine, it is queerer than we can imagine.

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Message 16 of 83 (41891)
06-01-2003 1:12 AM
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06-01-2003 1:08 AM


Re: QM
It's not? You can manage to wrap your head around the implications of quantum theory?
Tell me more?

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Message 18 of 83 (41894)
06-01-2003 1:35 AM
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06-01-2003 1:28 AM


Re: QM
Ok, thanks.
Sometimes I read a very well written, clear article and think I've got something. Then I try to explain it to someone else.

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Message 25 of 83 (42193)
06-05-2003 9:45 PM
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06-05-2003 9:17 PM


I just had a look at the NIV (perhaps you could say what translation your are using
Ex 7:3 But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt,
and the KJV
ex 7:3
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
So how can you say that Pharaoh wasn't messed with? Only by carelessly taking later verse's out of context. Try reading a bit more carefully.

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Message 27 of 83 (42236)
06-06-2003 11:07 AM
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06-06-2003 10:54 AM


There is no suggestion that he violated the freedom of Pharaoh’s will or that he manipulated Pharaoh
You went on at a some length. However, you did not touch on the verse Ex 7:3.
I am not a biblical expert at all, far from it. However, I read the "I" in that verse to refer to God. Is that true?
If the "I" is god he is the subject of the verb "hardened" isn't he?
Please, show me the correct context that demonstrates that I am wrong. And, no, your words have no bearing on it at all. I need to see the biblical words that straighten this out for me.

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Message 60 of 83 (73318)
12-16-2003 10:46 AM
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12-16-2003 10:25 AM


Nutty Idea
..., wouldn't believers see the two documents as infallible coming from the same God? Milton was extremely dedicated to Christianity
Why on earth would you expect them to do that. A very devote person may think that everything is a gift from God, even a writing inspiration. But why would that lead to thinking that the God would choose to create, in a sense, another Bible??? That is simply bizare, even to someone who isn't a believer

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