Proof for God's Non-existance?

I'm not sure that milk and God are comparable in a case such as this. Your overlooking the possibility that God could be in your fridge, on your couch and in everything molecule that makes us. Based on the information provided regarding God's markup the claim is plausible.

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The Book of Job is fiction. There's a conversation between God and Satan.

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I see no problem with a conversation between God and Satan. I doubt this is isolated either. I think there are a few who believe Satan is not real, however, I have read the information to that effect and concluded that according to the scriptures, he is indeed real. So, this is a matter of personal belief and oppinion.

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Would that be the historical evidence that you've been asked to provide multiple times, having failed to provide it following the first request, the second request, and each request thereafter?

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Is there historical evidence? If so, where?

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Though I did address similar requests under this thread, topic deviation was imminent.
What stood out however was the sudden turning of the tables under the terms of the original discussion. If memory serves me right, it was the original poster who called on none believers to provide us with evidence to disprove Gods existence and not the other way around.Since so many posters seem determined to argue in the other sense, perhaps we should spawn a new topic to cater to the alternate side of the argument.

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The problem is that you are using the Book of Job as substantiation that God made a claim. So while in your life you can have any personal belief or opinion you wish, in this type of debate it serves no purpose.

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I anxiously await the evidence you have to disprove that claim.

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You continue to assert that God made a claim, but have yet to provide the source containing the claim.

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False, I provided you with a claim and you counter claimed it was false based on nothing. That won't do.

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A fictional work does not fit the bill.

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Do you have evidence to show that is fictional work?Edited by pbee, : typo

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(Hint: you can't use the Bible in your explanation, because it hasn't been verified as a reliable source.)

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That won't do I'm afraid. Unless you have outstanding authority(proven) then such statements do not stand for much. Edited by pbee, : No reason given.

Wasn't this thread about providing evidence that God does not exist? Or have I misread the original topic?All I'm saying is that stating you cannot see God in your fridge does not say much in light of His existence. This is far from a general statement isn't it? For example, does your personal experience conclude there is no God as a whole, or are we looking at your own personal experience?Putting it into perspective, Ringo did not find God in his fridge, therefore he does not believe in God.

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Now, I have observed no God in my fridge. If you claim that my observation is wrong, you have to explain why it's wrong. Does the Detect-o-God need new batteries?

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Jesus stated God was a spirit 'Pneu”ma'(John 4:24). So that *could explain the lack thereof visual appearances in your fridge or otherwise.

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The general rule is that if something exists, it can be observed, repeatably, by objective observers. Through millions of observers repeatably failing to observe God, we can reason inductively that He can not be observed (does not exist).

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Well thats interesting isn't it. It would seem as though God's presence can be observed. seen here
Whether or not it can be observed by everyone seems to be another story altogether.

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The problem with the claimed positive observations of God - such as yours - is that they are not repeatable. Christians observe one thing, Muslims observe something else and Raelians observe something else again. It can be concluded that at least some of their observations must be false positives.

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Well this is true to some extent. Unless of course we have reasons to justify the changes. For example, during the era of biblical writings, there was a great deal of repeatable activity between God and humans. However, there came a point where such intervention was discontinued following the fulfillment of one of the primary prophesies.As for alternate claims, I can only speak from a personal standpoint, though I plan on researching alternate doctrines. I cannot comment nor discount them at this point in time.

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Your source is unverified.

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Well at this junction we have two options 1) Ringo said it was unverified or 2) it was verified by an outstanding number or people and accounts following the event.I'm not going to discriminate your feelings towards the claim in question, however you may want to provide us with a better source or reference. Otherwise your counterclaim cannot be regarded as anything but an opinion.

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The criterion is objective observers. Once again, if somebody fails to agree with the observation, you need to explain why.

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If a tree falls in the forest.... Got anything else?I once read "We exist, therefore He lives" it was not a very profound statement at the time, however, today I think it says a great deal about humans and God.

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You'll have to roll out that "outstanding number or people and accounts" and have them all independently verified and agree with each other before your assertion has any value.

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Nope. This would be your own desire, however we both know that claims and records are not treated this way. Based on your needs, a great deal of our history would be discarded instead of being valued. Perhaps you have something more realistic to add to the pot?

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Since you make no attempt to back up your claims, I assume you can't.

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This is the first and last time I will respond to childish taunts by you under such terms. Such behavior is not worthy of a response or the information. So now... lets move on with a supporting reference.Have you ever heard of Flavius Josephus, He was a first-century Jewish historian and a Pharisee. He referred to Jesus Christ in his book Jewish Antiquities. Although people doubt the authenticity of his references, Josephus mentions *Jesus the Messiah. Though many criticized that statement few doubted the genuineness of his second reference where he said Ananus(the high priest) gathered the judges of the Sanhedrin and apprehended a man called *James, *brother of Jesus, who was called the Christ. So here we have, a Pharisee, member of the sect that was claimed as an opponents of Jesus, acknowledging the existence of James, the brother of Jesus.So there it is, *one external source that supports the existence of Christ, who in turn made the statement that God is a spirit as I mentioned earlier.Edited by pbee, : No reason given.Edited by pbee, : typo's

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But anyone can confirm that his fridge is full of atoms.

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That is not true of your assertion.

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Prior to and following the validation of atoms, could we confirm any atoms were in the fridge? Has the condition changed after the fact? Your statement brings nothing in adding or removing evidence to the claim.

Oh now, your just trying to cheer me up. If Jesus existed then his statement and the notion that God exists just received an injection. But this isn't the point were trying to make is it?

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Now we know that much of what is reported in the various Bible stories are simply factually wrong.

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Such as...?

1-week Creation; misinterpretation (plausible)
The Noahchian flood; evidence on both sides of the fence. (plausible)
Joshua's long day; (plausible)
Reversing Shadows; (plausible)
The building of the Tower to Heaven that threaten God(s) almighty; misinterpretation. (Most probable)
Explanation of the different languages; (plausible)Quite obviously, if we are talking about God the almighty who causes things to happen, past, present and future, then surely such simple events are not the issue.

And why would we conclude the earth stopped rotating? I could think of all sorts of scientifically plausible methods to extend daylight without altering the movement of the planets.