Laws in the US that restrict the rights of Christians

Many people seem to forget that Christian brethren exist all over the world, not just in America. And their trials and tribulations make American christians pale in comparison.My wife and I once were corresponding to various prisoners in China via this website. We were using Babelfish as a translator to inspire hope in their affliction. Of course, we never received word back which is arguably evidence of suppression.America, on the other hand, has started out as a predominantly Christian nation. As a result, they have enjoyed a long lasting prosperity. Those lines are clearly closing, however, as we see more and more people expressing a genuine loathing of all things Christian. I echo Jesus on this one: "Such things must come to pass, but woe to whom they come by."

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Absolutely irrelevant. This thread and topic is "Laws in the US that restrict the rights of Christians". Some such laws have been pointed out such as Christians can no longer burn witches.Do you have examples of any others or do you intend to continue to try to palm the pea and change the subject in the vain hope that no one notices?

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Er, OK...So...what laws in the US restrict the rights of Christians to live as they wish?

Where's the list? I've been assured for years by many christians that there are plenty of laws in the US that oppress christians. Where's the list?

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The silence is because the list does not exist. As part of the CCOI is also the Christian Cult of Persecution. Under this a vocal minority of those calling themselves Christians make themselves such a pain in the ass to the rest of us then use our response as evidence that they are truly right because they are persecuted. Holy self fulfilling prophesy, Batman!

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And yet I can off the top of my head name at least a dozen laws and policies past and present that the christians have legislated in the name of god to oppress entire groups of people. Of course they don't actually call these oppression. They call them morality or some other bullshit.

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it's really a shame, because i was looking forward to some legal discussion.too bad.

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i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.

The fact is, there are very few examples possible of "Laws in the US that restrict the rights of Christians" yet they continue to assert that they are being oppressed and discriminated against.

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One of the biggest complaints that kennedy and his buddies made is that they aren't allowed to elect people who agree with their views. they can, they just have to actually win the election. but that doesn't mean that they can actually pass the legislation they want. nasty thing this actually using democracy.

Fair enough. Why would I have opted to "palm the pea" {please get another catch phrase) instead of just not answering at all?To answer your question, there are no laws that specifically target Christians or any other group outright. At most, the complaint is a misinterpretation of current laws-- such as, the Establishment Clause.The EC seems pretty straightforward to me, but for some reason, this has been taken to an extreme.There are no laws, that I am aware of, that are clear cut cases outright bias and discrimination against Christians. Therefore, I'm not sure there will be a lot of play on this thread.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Kind of cuts into the argument about bias, oppression and discrimination though doesn't it? Kind of cuts it to shreds eh? Even though this extreme interpretation has not resulted in any laws that show bias, oppression and discrimination (see above).Could it be that what you want is an interpretation that favors christianity above other beliefs, which can then be used as a basis for laws that show bias, oppression and discrimination against other religions and beliefs?That what you see as bias, oppression and discrimination in this regard is a refusal to go that route?It is not an extreme interpretation if it protects the rest of us from your - still currently - illegal desires to impose christian bias, oppression and discrimination on others.For the record, keeping christians from practicing public bias, oppression and discrimination is not bias, oppression and discrimination against christians, but against bias, oppression and discrimination.This is usually interpreted from a false belief that at one time christianity did have a favored position in the government of this country from which to impose christian bias, oppression and discrimination, but in fact this does not and never did exist. But even if it HAD, there would be no reason to instigate this again, as we have grown since then: civil rights apply to everyone equally.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : last paragraph

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Of course there are. The Defense of Marriage Act directly targets groups as do any sodomy laws. And Christians try constantly to have other oppressive laws passed to deny human rights to groups they disapprove of.The issue is that many Christians also whine about being oppressed when the truth is that not only are they not oppressed, they work to oppress others.

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There are no laws, that I am aware of, that are clear cut cases outright bias and discrimination against Christians. Therefore, I'm not sure there will be a lot of play on this thread.

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Not in my estimation, because bias can still exist without specific laws being forwarded by Congress. For instance, the Constitution was explicit that all human beings had certain unalienable rights. "But how on earth will we be able to justify slavery then?" Eh, we'll just say they aren't actually people. Eventually a law passed stating that negro's were only 2/3 human. The EC is very straightforward. Basically, the fledgling US nation said we don't want dictators imposing a state sanctioned religion, nor do we want dictators suppressing people from expressing their religious beliefs. So they erected an imaginary law.Somehow this turned in to a one-sided debate where only the protection of the state is highly regarded. See, that's absurd. You are trying to make it so that Judeo-Christian ethics can't be regarded in a secular setting. Somehow the reverse doesn't work, as people want to impose taxes on churches. This country has always been characterized as a Christian nation with a strong understanding that allowing its citizens to choose freely its religious affiliations is the best way to run a society. They fled from religious persecution. The last thing they wanted was to force others, via the law, for people to conform to their brand of religiosity.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

I suppose you can actually support that assertion and show how it is relevant to this thread. Even if such a law was passed, exactly how would that restrict the rights of Christians?To be applicable or even relevant to this thread it would have to be a Law passed and in effect in the US. That of course is also simply false. It is Christians that are currently promoting laws to restrict the rights of others.

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And the original constitution specifically excluded them (and women) from voting. That is bias and discrimination isn't it? We've had amendments to the constitution to address these issues haven't we?And, as you acknowledge, no such laws have been passed regarding christians. Once again the lack of such laws is evidence against your position. No, it is the protection of all beliefs as well as of the state that is highly regarded. This is entirely consistent with the original founding fathers position.Again, the fact that you argue this shows that you want to interpret this to give some advantage to christianity over other beliefs, NOT that you are being oppressed and discriminated against, but that you want to be the ones in charge of bias, oppression and discrimination. Like the "ethics" of slave ownership? No, what we can use are real valid contemporarily consistent ethics without needing to regard where they came from. If some happen to be consistent with "Judeo-Christian ethics" then so what. And that is why christianity should get no special favors from government. The fact that they don't is not bias, oppression and discrimination against christianity because there is no favoritism for any belief.The perception of bias, oppression and discrimination against christianity is false.Enjoy.

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