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Topic: Reliable history in the Bible
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Siggy
Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: 09-09-2007
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Message 256 of 300 (421701)
09-13-2007 10:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 254 by iceage
09-13-2007 9:50 PM
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Re: So When Was That Flood?
havent ignored, response still coming, just doing some more research before answering 
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 257 of 300 (421703)
09-13-2007 10:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 255 by Siggy
09-13-2007 10:09 PM
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Re: So When Was That Flood?
care to prove that statement instead of making unqualified statements? Of course. There are many such threads already here at EvC. The belief in a world-wide flood is simply ignorance, delusion or outright lying. I suggest one place to start learning is Message 1.
first of all, i doubt that anyone is convoluted enough to believe that minor floods would be recorded in the mythology of a civilization; it would have to be something drastic for the stories to be preserved 3000+ years. Then to say you would have me believe that there were a dozen major floods in different areas of the world than one world wide flood? which seems more likely? Other than the fact that we see such floods happening all the time? And it is not dozens of floods but many, many more. Further we can actually see the evidence of those floods, their extent and when they happened.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 258 of 300 (421704)
09-13-2007 10:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 255 by Siggy
09-13-2007 10:09 PM
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Re: So When Was That Flood?
Hello, Siggy!
you would have me believe that there were a dozen major floods in different areas of the world than one world wide flood? which seems more likely? Let's see - in the last century alone we have the Mississippi flood of 1927, the Yangtze flood of 1931 that killed three million people, floods in Bangladesh in the 70's, the Missouri River flood in the 90's, New Orleans in 2005, Abilene, Texas last month.....and those are off the top of my head. A dozen is certain. No physical evidence supports The Big One. Sorry. Edited by Coragyps, : Yellow, not Yangtze
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Siggy
Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: 09-09-2007
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Message 259 of 300 (421706)
09-13-2007 10:31 PM
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and yet none of such floods have ever been big enough to be mythological in proportion or even CLOSE to any of the flood stories of old.
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Message 260 of 300 (421707)
09-13-2007 10:32 PM
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Short term topic closure coming
I'm going to presume that this topic has a better purpose than to turn into another flood topic. Maybe people should review this topic from the beginning. Closing in 10 minutes. Adminnemooseus
Admin writes: It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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"The Flood" now declared to be off-topic in this topic
Yes, the "Great Flood" is part the history presented by the Bible, but it is something much covered elsewhere, in many specialized topics. So, how about excluding the flood from further consideration in this topic? OK - Make that a command from "on high" -
THE FLOOD IS OFF-TOPIC IN THIS TOPIC! Any reply to this message MUST go to the "General discussion..." topic, link below. Unless you're looking for a 24 hour suspension and a message content deletion. Adminnemooseus
Admin writes: It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Flood Topic Available
They can take "flood history" to Was there a worldwide flood?: it needs some new blood. Enjoy
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 263 of 300 (421854)
09-14-2007 8:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 251 by Siggy
09-13-2007 9:36 PM
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Siggy writes: ... someone did witness my birth; and they recorded it on an official document.... The point (for this thread) is that that document is of no value without other evidence to corroborate it. There's a lot of fake IDs around. That's why you have to provide three pieces of ID, photo ID, ID with your signature, etc. You need documents from different sources that agree with each other to authenticate who you are. Similarly, any documentary evidence in the Bible needs outside evidence to corroborate it. That's what this thread is about. Is there any history in the Bible that's been verified by evidence from outside the Bible? Your next post should consist of: - An example from the Bible, including the citation and preferably the quotation.
- Arachaeological, documentary, etc. evidence from outside the Bible that directly confirms the Bible story.
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Force
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Message 264 of 300 (422558)
09-17-2007 6:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
01-03-2007 6:46 AM
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Brian, Can you please provide some resources for your claim.
Brian writes: when the fact of the matter is that almost every archaeological discovery has undermined the 'historical' narratives of the Bible.
Thanks trossthree
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AdminPD
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Message 265 of 300 (422560)
09-17-2007 6:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 264 by Force
09-17-2007 6:23 PM
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Welcome to EvC
Welcome trossthree, Glad you decided to add to our diversity. We have a wide variety of forums for your debating pleasure. As members, we are guests on this board and as guests we are asked to put forth our best behavior. Please read the Forum Guidelines carefully and understand the wishes of our host. Abide by the Forum Guidelines and you will be a welcome addition. In the purple signature box below, you'll find some links that will help make your journey here pleasant. Please direct any questions or comments you may have concerning this post to the Moderation Thread. Again, welcome and fruitful debating. 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 266 of 300 (422565)
09-17-2007 6:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 264 by Force
09-17-2007 6:23 PM
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trossthree writes: Can you please provide some resources for your claim. The way the thread is set up, you should give some examples that you think are supported by archaeology, etc.
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... start at the begining of Genesis and work your way through the Bible and tick off just how many 'historical' events mentioned are supported (or even plausible) in an historical context. Message 1
Then we'll have something specific to discuss.
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Force
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Message 267 of 300 (422567)
09-17-2007 7:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 266 by ringo
09-17-2007 6:43 PM
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Ringo, Thank you for you information. However, I am seeking information from the poster. He has made a claim and so I am asking him to show me resources.
Thanks trossthree
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 268 of 300 (422571)
09-17-2007 7:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 267 by Force
09-17-2007 7:00 PM
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trossthree writes: I am seeking information from the poster. Brian hasn't been around for a while. Don't hold your breath waiting for him. In any case, he presented a challenge to those who think there is reliable history in the Bible. He isn't obligated to show that there isn't.
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Force
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Message 269 of 300 (422575)
09-17-2007 7:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 268 by ringo
09-17-2007 7:25 PM
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Ringo, First I never said that Brian was obligated to show that the Bible is not a reliable history in contrast to any degree. However, when I post a topic I provide all evidences to support that claim. Brian on the other hand posted an argument with no resources to support his evidences. Last but not least I don't claim that the Bible is literal or that it contains a factual history in contrast to any degree. So, if it is true that Brian probably will not respond to my reply then that is fine by me.
Thanks trossthree
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 270 of 300 (422577)
09-17-2007 7:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 269 by Force
09-17-2007 7:42 PM
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trossthree writes: Brian on the other hand posted an argument with no resources to support his evidences. Brian didn't post an argument. He posted a challenge to Bible-as-history advocates to present their argument.
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