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jar
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Message 124 of 199 (422648)
09-17-2007 9:45 PM


AdminBuzsaw giving false advice
In Message 49 AdminBuzsaw makes a typically erroneous suggestion that calling an idea stupid is the same as calling a person stupid. This seems to be a common error.
The goal is to address the content of posts and if an idea is stupid it should be shown to be stupid. The key point is "shown to be stupid".
AdminBuzsaw says:
I see you refer to the ToE as stupid. You need to be aware that in doing so you are implying that the vast majority of members of EvC, most of who are very intelligent people are stupid..
That is fine. If it were then possible for Biblical Creationists to support their position, there would be no issue at all. The problem is that Biblical Creationism is bankrupt and indefensible and so the only option is to allow as much leeway as possible for those trying to support such a position.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 127 of 199 (422672)
09-17-2007 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Hyroglyphx
09-17-2007 10:33 PM


Re: AdminBuzsaw giving false advice
I'm a little confused as to what you are saying is false if you agree that he handled it well. What exactly are getting at?
Yet another example of the inability to read.
Exactly where did you get the idea that he handled it well, he did not. In fact he made a classic mistake, confusing an attack on content with an attack on the poster.
Calling a position stupid is certainly not an attack on the poster.

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jar
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Message 129 of 199 (422681)
09-17-2007 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Admin
09-17-2007 10:56 PM


Re: AdminBuzsaw giving false advice
But no quantity of words could ever accurately characterize where the line of civility is crossed in all situations, and nothing will ever cause everyone to agree on where that line is drawn.
I agree, and so we struggle with defining that line. In this case, calling a position stupid while not providing the supporting evidence or reasoning is just a weak, a very weak argument. But if that is the only tool available to a person to support their position, if that really is their best argument, they should be allowed to make it. They should not be penalized just because there is no other way to support their position.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 140 of 199 (422784)
09-18-2007 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Admin
09-18-2007 10:22 AM


Re: Question about Offensive Content
Only that if you remove the banal and offensive as a legitimate reply, many people will be left with nothing to say.

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jar
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Message 165 of 199 (423778)
09-24-2007 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by AdminPD
09-24-2007 8:35 AM


Re: The Nature of an Admin
But, given what I read in yesterday's interaction between jar and Nem, I think they both could use a stronger reminder to refrain from the personal and stick to the topic.
I often have to wonder if the Admin staff here at EvC has a clue what a personal attack is. From the behavior of many members of the Admin staff it is not clear they do.
For example, pointing out posts that are off topic, pointing out attempts to misdirect the readers attention in the hope that the reader does not notice the subject change or irrelevant argument are not attacks on the person but rather comments on the actual message.
We do see personal attacks though here at EvC. For example calling someone a moron as opposed to saying a post was moronic would, IMHO be considered a personal attack. Implying that someone should be shot would, IMHO be considered a personal attack. Calling someone a freak would, IMHO be considered a personal attack.
Now whether or not any action should be taken in each case again in my humble opinion, should depend on the position of the person making the attack.
If the person making such an attack is from the group commonly referred to here at EvC as "An Evolutionist", then I believe sanctions would be in order.
However, if the person making the attack is what is commonly referred to here at EvC as a "Biblical Christian" or "Creationist", can we with honor or reason sanction them? Are "Biblical Christians" or "Creationists" capable of civilized behavior, of making an argument based on the messages as opposed to the messenger, of even reading a message and understanding its content?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 167 of 199 (423810)
09-24-2007 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by AdminPD
09-24-2007 12:40 PM


Re: The Nature of an Admin
There are just accusations of misrepresentation, misleading, misquoting, etc.
When those accusations are supported by evidence, should they be ignored?

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