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Author Topic:   How can Biologists believe in the ToE?
Vacate
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Message 109 of 304 (419892)
09-05-2007 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Ihategod
09-05-2007 2:31 AM


Of course it will entertain....
Vashgun writes:
http://s8int.com/index.html
I actually spent a fair amount of time on this site. It was e-mailed to me by a family member and though he took it serious - I did manage spray coke on my monitor laughing too hard.
Here is a good one regarding the Oklo reactor:
quote:
This particular group of reactors was, incredibly moderated using --water.
and another:
quote:
There are at least six zones of depleted uranium (usually means mined)with plutonium as a by product! You've got to really be trying to manufacture plutonium--its a complicated process.
-Ooparts: Evidence of Ancient Atomic Knowledge?
I am certainly not an expert at nuclear reactions, but the author of this site is just feeding junk to the gullible. "complicated process" - That is what happens to U238, it becomes plutonium239.
Has it not become evidenced, based on your posts here, that it would be a good idea to start checking your sources? This site is full of bad information and questionable "out of place objects", its a fun read though.

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Vacate
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Message 141 of 304 (420285)
09-07-2007 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Q
09-07-2007 8:33 AM


Remember the leading scientists of the days years ago thought the world was flat until shown other wise, there was only so many elements of The Periodic Table of Elements, until found otherwise ( Bromine (Br) atomic number 35 for instance ) and those were all facts in there days.
Creationism was also thought to be fact until it was shown otherwise.
The funny thing about the issue is that both ToE and ID start at the same unknown problem ( HOW did it start ).
ToE is not about how it started. That would be abiogenesis or further back Big Bang.
I think real science is done on both sides
The real question then is do you have any publications to show you are correct?
both sides face serious problems in my opinon. notice the
4) Interpret data and draw conclusions
Yet one side can land a man on the moon, cure diseases, and predict discoveries years in advance. For having serious problems the scientific method just seems to work.
That would mean that all the "science" based on the theory must be looked at because to start with a falsehood can not lead to a right ending.
It would be quite bizarre considering its predicability.
we are talking about science not conspiracys, there is diffrance.
No, you where talking about science and creationism, in regards to creationism there is little difference. Did you hear the one about the global conspiracy by scientists to hide the truth about ToE?
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Vacate
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Message 165 of 304 (422770)
09-18-2007 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by IamJoseph
09-18-2007 4:36 AM


Pre ambling
and its rejecters are not satisfied with what is placed on the table, because it lacks the fathomless hidden source points.
and lacks evidence.
Evolution is an improvised 'process' - which starts post-source point; it is not an answer to the universe origins, and thus not a confrontation with Creationism.
Good point, but you need to talk to the other side.
The problem here is, when the process is measured by pointing it backwards - towards an origin point - a brick wall is confronted - or worse
No, the problem is when people try to say that evolution is about 'origins' when it is nothing of the sort.
before venturing any explanations about evolution or creationism, which one is believable or more evidenced, one has to establish a preamble: this is the only way one can agree or disagree with certain provisions.
ToE is not about the origin of life or the universe. Is that an adequate place to start?
The Universe according to ToE:
1- Infinite or Finite - Does not matter, may have an impact on the future of evolution if its finite and drawing to a close.
2- Random or Complex - Impacts the origins of the universe: not part of the Theory of Evolution.
see the universe as emerging from a stray particle impacted by certain forces, and going BOOM
Odd idea, but I have heard worse. I prefer Big Bang, no stray particles nessesary.
3- Cause and Effect - You are once again talking about the origin of the universe and not covered by ToE.
4- Judgement Criteria -
I would not select science, math or history in determining the universe origins, but logic - namely a philosophical thought as the guiding factor here
From what I understand about T=0 philosophical ideas are all that applies. I agree with you but still maintain that ToE does not cover this topic.
Here, based on time being finite subsequent to finite universe, it cannot be the instrument which can measure a scenario before the universe, where matter, maths, gravity, energy, forces, science, religions - or anything which is post universe, would not apply.
I agree based on what I understand of the topic.
What's YOUR preamble?
My preliminary statement to your post would be - you do not understand what the Theory of Evolution is about. If you wanted to talk about pre-Big Bang I think you just made a pretty good case.
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Vacate
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Message 188 of 304 (423200)
09-20-2007 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by IamJoseph
09-20-2007 6:50 AM


Re: THE GREATNESS OF ... being on topic?
A bird becomes a bird, and a zebra becomes a zebra - not because of the external, environmental factors or the dna inherited millions of years ago - but by what it is formed by in its mother's womb
This isnt quite what you said earlier. What happened to the Air Borne [Fowl] kind? Chickens giving birth to penguins, hummingbirds, and crows...
If you want to elaborate I am curious about your groupings. I posted on RAZDs thread about your categories of kind, if you are willing I believe that they need some clarity.
Problems of a different "Kind"

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Vacate
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Message 209 of 304 (425977)
10-04-2007 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by CTD
10-04-2007 10:10 AM


Decline of a nation
Young kids are much smarter than the evolutionists thought. And they have a lot of free time, a luxury not often found in the adult world. The earlier they encounter the idea, the longer they have to question it.
Increased fundementalism and degrading education system resulting in increased rates of people being oblivious to science. You really are onto something here.
Roughly half the kids graduating high school ("U.S.") are rejecting evolutionism to one extent or another. The per centage was much worse not too many years ago. It's shifting rapidly.
This can be evidenced by the increasing rates of people who keep saying "Its just a theory". Its really quite sad.

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Vacate
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Message 219 of 304 (426495)
10-07-2007 6:21 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by IamJoseph
10-07-2007 5:42 AM


Re: Evidence Please
ToE becomes more attractive as an escape from the multi contradicting religious beliefs; it avoids these awkward interactions.
Its science. How long have you been here and you still don't know why science avoids religious beliefs?
It obsessively rejects any science which has an incline with religion, even by default.
Down with Big Bang!! Sounds too much like Goddidit.
Today, no scientists can secure a career or grants, if any hint of anti-ToE is evident.
You mean biologists right? You often confuse ToE with Big Bang, so I want to be sure you don't mean all scientists.
As if anyone else is succeeding elsewhere, in any experimented evidence.
The True North strong and free!
quote:
The Canadian dollar gained more than a cent and a half to reach a new 31-year closing high of $1.0185 US.
That's the dollar's biggest one-day gain against the U.S. currency since June 1, 1970 ” when the Canadian dollar was permitted to float.
Propelling the loonie's jump was a report out Friday that said Canada's economy churned out 51,100 new jobs in September ” which was much better than expected and enough to lower the country's unemployment rate to 5.9 per cent.
That's the lowest jobless rate since November 1974, Statistics Canada said.
Canada is doing ok, but I am biased.

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Vacate
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Message 223 of 304 (426526)
10-07-2007 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by IamJoseph
10-07-2007 10:35 AM


Re: Evidence Please
a reasonable and growing minority
Reasonable? You, like many others have not even shown to grasp what the words mean.
ToE becomes more attractive as an escape from the multi contradicting religious beliefs; it avoids these awkward interactions.
You do not know what science means.
Aside from being an unproven theory
You do not know what theory means

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Vacate
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Message 225 of 304 (426531)
10-07-2007 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by IamJoseph
10-07-2007 10:48 AM


Re: Evidence Please
Vacate writes:
Canada is doing ok, but I am biased.
IamJoseph writes:
As you please. I like to measure a country's merits by the opposing forces confronting it. You are biased for sure.
You had not specified that a measure of a countries superiority was how many other countries wish to blow it up. I was thinking more along the lines of a strong economy and low unemployment, how silly of me.
So based on your idea of what makes a country superior, who would you vote as top of the list?

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Vacate
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Message 229 of 304 (426539)
10-07-2007 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by IamJoseph
10-07-2007 11:25 AM


Re: Evidence Please
1. Israel.
Your bias has shown through. How convenient that what you decide is the measure of a countries worth is also the country of your faith. Don't feel bad, I love my country.
But be not jealous no one wants to blow up Canada
I'm not.
Even she will help US if needed.
Its a sad state of affairs. I see no reason for us to help out in the US campaign to add to the ever growing list of countries they wish to blow up. They sure do add to the merit of those muslim countries though.

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Vacate
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Message 232 of 304 (426543)
10-07-2007 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by RAZD
10-07-2007 11:42 AM


Re: measure for measure
this has nothing to do with the topic
My fault.
but everything to do with your ability to present a rational argument.
Thats what I was thinking.
On with the show.

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