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Author Topic:   Murchison Meteor Questions
ringo
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Message 163 of 216 (423338)
09-21-2007 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Rob
09-21-2007 10:56 AM


Rob writes:
... the question is whether adenine was extracted or synthesized from the Murchison samples.
So, either adenine was accidentally synthesized during a fairly simple chemical process OR adenine was originally present on the meteorite?
... elsewhere I have reminded folks that adenine is sythesized in the living machinery of the cell. That is empirical fact.
It also seems to be an irrelevant fact. Either answer to your main question seems to be that adenine is easily synthesized outside the cell.
My only point has been that there has been no empircal proof thus far....
If you learn nothing else, could you please learn to stop using the word "proof"?

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ringo
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Message 179 of 216 (423493)
09-22-2007 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Rob
09-22-2007 2:19 PM


Re: Not arguing a negative...
Rob writes:
You may think that I have no right to question these things... but I believe we are all equal.
Do you say that when you get on an airplane? Do you go up to the cockpit and tell the captain he's flying all wrong? Do you think you have the "right" to tell him which buttons to push?
Einstein said somewhere, that he wasn't any smarter than anyone else, he only stayed with the problem longer.
Exactly. Einstein took the trouble to know what the @#$% he was talking about.
Learn some elementary chemistry before you start challenging chemists. Learn that CN isn't exactly the same thing every place you see it. Learn what pH is.

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ringo
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Message 181 of 216 (423501)
09-22-2007 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Rob
09-22-2007 2:58 PM


Re: Not arguing a negative...
Rob writes:
But I certainly have the right to explain why I'm not aboard, and ask those interested in the discussion or piloting the vessel, why they believe in the ride.
People said that about human flight in 1902. Throughout the entire thread, people have been trying to explain to you that what hasn't been discovered yet has no bearing on what will be discovered tomorrow.
If you have nothing to add as for understanding the chemistry involved....
If you were really interested in learning the chemistry involved, you'd be asking questions about the chemistry, not second-guessing the conclusions.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, either adenine came to earth on the Murchison meteorite or it was accidentally synthesized during the analysis. Do I have that right?
If I do, then adenine is formed somehow "out there" OR it's easily formed by simple reactions here on earth. Do I have that right?
If I do, what is your question about the chemistry involved?

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Message 214 of 216 (423977)
09-25-2007 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by Rob
09-25-2007 12:16 AM


Re: The non debate...
Rob writes:
when I am being piled on by four or five on one, I tend to lose my grip.
Ignore the bullets whizzing past your ears. If one of them kills you, you'll never know it anyway.
Aim and take your own shot. Don't waste energy on excuses.

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