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Author Topic:   Teacher Fired for Disagreeing With Literal Interpretation of Bible
Omnivorous
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Message 13 of 78 (424148)
09-25-2007 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by arachnophilia
09-25-2007 9:28 PM


Re: Piss Poor Journalism
It's always good to have more information.
On the other hand, apparently there was no faculty peer review or administrative hearing of the sorts normally associated with a legitimate concern for or protection of academic freedom.
If he has been accused of misbehavior by a student, then he should have the right to confront that accuser in the appropriate setting.
If he was informed that a student complained about his treatment of Christianity, I see no reason why he should not discuss that in the classroom. As for laughing at them, I wonder: Guffaws? Chuckles? Smiles? Strange as it may seem, students cannot always be depended on to tell the unvarnished truth.
My wife is a professor--a popular one who receives overwhelmingly positive student reviews. She teaches literature and presents many theoretical perspectives: feminist, traditional close reading, deconstructionist, Marxist, you name it. She also welcomes student perspectives.
Occasionally, inevitably, someone will write in their course review that she "tried to force [x] theory on us" and "ridiculed my beliefs"--because she insisted they master the tenets of multiple perspectives and challenged them to account for their own. To demand that a student achieve proficiency of a literary reading of the Bible, for example, is not to demand that they relinguish their religion: but some will insist that it is just that.
I find it especially interesting to hear the student you quote say "what we wanted" (emphasis mine). If the administration discharged this instructor because a group of students brought complaints to which he was not allowed to respond, the administration has a great deal of explaining to do. If that is the case, I'd imagine any competent attorney could overturn his dismissal and win damages.
I agree that more information is necessary for a fully formed judgement. But if the administration had attended to the normal process of faculty peer review and administrative hearings before discharging the instructor, I don't think they'd be saying, "No comment, it's a personnel issue."
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Omnivorous
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Message 15 of 78 (424151)
09-25-2007 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by arachnophilia
09-25-2007 10:09 PM


Re: Piss Poor Journalism
arach writes:
what would they say? i'm not sure they'd say anything else, actually.
Typically, an administration that has followed a well-defined policy which respects both student rights and an instructor's academic freedom will say so: "After careful review and following the procedures of hearings and appeals that we have in place to protect the interests of all blah blah blah."
I suspect (and this is just a hunch) that the "No comment" means what it usually means when academic bureaucrats clam up: 1) Oops, we didn't follow our own contractually mandated (or defined) procedures, and 2) Who knew this would atract national attention?
We'll see.

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Omnivorous
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Message 18 of 78 (424154)
09-25-2007 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
09-25-2007 10:20 PM


Re: The Plot Thickens A Bit
Phat writes:
He should have been more tactful. I am not a Biblical literalist, but if someone told me that..say...the Virgin Birth was a fairytale, I'd sue them too.
Keyword: RESPECT
Well, you wouldn't get any R-E-S-P-E-C-T in court.
To most people in the world, the virgin birth IS a fairy tale. You can't gain respect by attacking them when they say so.

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Omnivorous
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Message 21 of 78 (424158)
09-25-2007 10:47 PM
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09-25-2007 10:35 PM


Re: The Plot Thickens A Bit
Oh, sure--the Virgin Mary was a hammerhead shark.
That'll calm everybody down.

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