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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Des Moines Register writes: He should have been more tactful. I am not a Biblical literalist, but if someone told me that..say...the Virgin Birth was a fairytale, I'd sue them too. Adjunct professor Steve Bitterman said administrators at Southwestern Community College in Red Oak sided with students who became upset when he called parts of the Old Testament a fairy tale that should not be interpreted literally. Keyword: RESPECT Edited by Phat, : added
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I am not a Biblical literalist, but if someone told me that..say...the Virgin Birth was a fairytale, I'd sue them too. Why? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Phat writes: He should have been more tactful. I am not a Biblical literalist, but if someone told me that..say...the Virgin Birth was a fairytale, I'd sue them too. Keyword: RESPECT Well, you wouldn't get any R-E-S-P-E-C-T in court. To most people in the world, the virgin birth IS a fairy tale. You can't gain respect by attacking them when they say so. Real things always push back. -William James Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Typically, an administration that has followed a well-defined policy which respects both student rights and an instructor's academic freedom will say so: "After careful review and following the procedures of hearings and appeals that we have in place to protect the interests of all blah blah blah." I suspect (and this is just a hunch) that the "No comment" means what it usually means when academic bureaucrats clam up: 1) Oops, we didn't follow our own contractually mandated (or defined) procedures, and 2) Who knew this would atract national attention? We'll see. well, this is also only a community college. it's not as big an operation as a full university, and probably doesn't have the same sort of crack legal team. so i dunno. i guess we'll see.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Omnivorous writes:
It's becoming less and less of a fairy tale nowadays. Read this article. To most people in the world, the virgin birth IS a fairy tale. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Oh, sure--the Virgin Mary was a hammerhead shark.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
quote: quote: quote: quote: The Des Moines Register |
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Jon Inactive Member |
I am not a Biblical literalist, but if someone told me that..say...the Virgin Birth was a fairytale, I'd sue them too. I hear ya man. When I was a little immature kid, I'd probably've sought legal action against anyone who tried to tell me Santa Clause wasn't real. Of course... I don't think of myself as much of a little kid anymore Jon
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Damouse Member (Idle past 4933 days) Posts: 215 From: Brookfield, Wisconsin Joined: |
lol not the first nor the last virgin X
a komodo dragon reproduced asexually in england in 2006, and plenty of lizards can reproduce without the presance of sperm. the links are around here somewhere, but i dont think its a point large enough to be disputed.... and i cant help but grimance in the general direction of Phat. You would sue someone because, what, they have opposing viewpoints to yours? Slightly naive and as low as it gets. Of course that you plan on fixing this by taking their money for your own makes it all better. Edit: Gah i dont mean to flame. But i dont think that respect includes other people keeping their mouthes shut so to not offend the delicate sensibilites of others. Edited by Damouse, : No reason given. This statement is false.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Jon writes:
Isn't it premature to use past tense? When I was a little immature kid... Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4217 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Virgin birth is a fairytale
so is: The tower of babelNoah's flood Adam & Eve also the Illiadthe Quran Rig Veda Zend Avesta etc. But before you have a bird These are my opinions not facts. Everyone has opinions and they should be respected If one's saying that the Adam & Eve story is a fairytale the so be it. If one has to go overboard to such a statement, to me, it would seem that the offended one's faith isn't very strong to begin with.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Everyone has opinions and they should be respected Well no, opinions shouldn't be respected! The right of an individual to have an opinion is what should be respected.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
As a community college librarian in the US, I consider this a clear and blatant violation of the principle of separation of church and state ... Er ... which Bitterman broke, surely? He should have used more neutral language, maybe something beginning with: "All the evidence available to historians ..." But if he just says "Genesis is a fairy tale", then isn't that the state treading on the toes of the churches?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
Well no, opinions shouldn't be respected! The right of an individual to have an opinion is what should be respected. Exactly. Somehow, having the right to have your own beliefs and opinions has transformed into some perceived right to never have those beliefs and opinions questioned or criticized by others. That right doesn't exist. What's further annoying is that some religions (ie, Christianity) are held as sacred cows where it is horrible and offensive to criticize their beliefs, and other religions (ie, Scientology) are commonly viewed as open to ridicule. No belief or opinion should ever, EVER be treated as immune to criticism. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Dr A writes:
On a personal level, what's wrong with that? Pastors and reverends regularly tell their livestocks that those of us that have been and are in academia are dumbasses. But if he just says "Genesis is a fairy tale", then isn't that the state treading on the toes of the churches?
On a professional level, what's the difference between saying genesis is a fairy tale and cinderella is a fairy tale? Remember that equal treatment stuff? I would hate to not be able to refer to the little red riding hood as a fairy tale. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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