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RAZD
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Message 1 of 32 (392619)
04-01-2007 3:32 PM

The whole paradigm of god as a designer = grand engineer is fraught with problems, not least of which are designs of questionable (to be polite) value.
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I suggest an alternative concept: God as Artist.
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The artist is not held to the same standard for things to work - their standards are otherwise: sometimes to entertain, sometimes to amuse, sometimes to educate, sometimes to just make people smile with appreciation.
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An artist can be serious, silly, reverent or irreverent.
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An artist that makes a very detailed design of an object does not necessarily display great creativity in art.
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Turning out thousands of copies of identical clay pots is not art, but incorporation of the "happy accident" can make the difference between pedestrian and art.
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Life is a work of art. The universe is a work of art.
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Enjoy.
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Intelligent Design Forum please
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RAZD
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Message 4 of 32 (392877)
04-02-2007 7:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 3 by mike the wiz
04-02-2007 7:12 PM

Thanks Mike (and AdminPD).
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Have you been listening to Bob Ross again?
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No, Jimmy Buffet (Fruitcakes): it's the taoist in me ...
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Perhaps God is more creative than we give him credit for.
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It just struck me walking home with a nice hot mocha latte from the corner barrista (who is a real work of art ... )
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The whole emphasis on design was wrong. Design turns out robots, while art ... makes great coffee.
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Enjoy.
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Message 11 of 32 (424913)
09-29-2007 7:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 8 by Raphael
09-29-2007 4:54 AM

I Know it's Easy to Deny the Truth.............Don't Be Decieved.
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You might want to spellcheck that if you are going to use it as your signature. I fully agree, and also note that denial of evidence that contradicts belief is not faith but delusion:
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de·lu·sion -noun1. an act or instance of deluding.
2. the state of being deluded.
3. a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur.
4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion.
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I dont think I can fully agree with that. God IS an engineer by the way he made anything on the body for a purpose.
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And you can speak from personal knowledge of this as fact? And when a cave fish living in total darkness has vestigial eyes covered by skin, what purpose is served?
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An artist can make rube-goldberg devices that serve a purpose. An engineer would not have unnecessary elements.
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Enjoy.
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09-29-2007 11:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Archer Opteryx
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Re: They don't know anything about science, but they know what they like.
Two: They know even less about art than they do about science.
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And three: what they do know they don't like
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10-11-2007 5:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 19 by Hyroglyphx
10-04-2007 10:11 PM

NJ fails at logic again
Since art is a deliberate act, ...
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You are no artist. This is not a true statement. Look up "happy accident" in Japanese art.
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... then all the atrocities associated in the world ...
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False conclusion, even without the false precept. You are missing a(n assumed) premise.
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... but I think it presents a problem for you.
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And we see, again, that your logic is inadequate to make this claim.
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Secondly, any involvement of God, whether for amusement, education, or entertainment nullifies every premise of evolution going through unguided processes.
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Just because you want to make this conclusion does not mean it follows from your argument. It doesn't. Your (lack of) understanding the artistic process is noted. Please tell me how a mobile operates solely by guided processes.
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Well, I see God as an artist too, ...
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Yet your god is supposed to be a hands on in every life control freak who is omniscient and all powerful, fully aware of and able to control consequences, so your arguments apply more to your belief than to mine.
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Enjoy.
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10-12-2007 8:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 26 by Hyroglyphx
10-12-2007 7:19 PM

Re: NJ fails at logic again
Please tell me how a mobile operates solely by guided processes.
A mobile?
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Tells me all I need to know. Your whole argument fails.
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Enjoy.
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