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Author Topic:   Science and Speech in Determining "Human" Kind
Archer Opteryx
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Message 182 of 268 (425057)
09-30-2007 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by IamJoseph
09-30-2007 5:55 AM


Re: possible equivocation, moving goalposts, and denial ... take two
That speech is unique to humans is first declared in Genesis.
Not true. Genesis also ascribes speech to God (not human) and snakes (not human).
Thank you for playing, Mr Joseph.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 184 of 268 (425061)
09-30-2007 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Jon
09-29-2007 7:22 AM


read her lips
Dr. Pepperberg refuses to call Alex's vocalizations ''language.'' ''I avoid the language issue,'' she said. ''I'm not making claims. His behavior gets more and more advanced, but I don't believe years from now you could interview him.''
Jon: It's quite clear that those working closest with the bird do not feel what he's done to be 'language'.
False characterization.
Her statement is that she avoids the issue and makes no claims.
It is bias to the point of blindness to say she has stated a 'clear' position on the matter that agrees with your own. Her clear intention is to state no position at all.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 185 of 268 (425064)
09-30-2007 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by IamJoseph
09-30-2007 7:07 AM


Re: possible equivocation, moving goalposts, and denial ... take two
IaJ:
The reading of 'serpent' depends on your textual comprehension: it is metaphorically given this human trait in the setting described, at all times subject to it being set in a realm other than the physical one.
Thank you for telling us Genesis is not a scientific document. You say it employs metaphors that deal with spiritual rather than physical phenomena.
It follows that Genesis cannot set the parameters of what we may logically conclude from the results of valid scientific research. The subject of surreal images in ancient literature is off topic here.
Thank you for playing, Mr Joseph.
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All species are transitional.

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