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Chiroptera
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Message 3 of 93 (424246)
09-26-2007 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Max Power
09-26-2007 10:33 AM


Hi, Max.
I'll let others handle the exact nutritional benefits or nonbenefits of raw food. Right now I'll just reply to one point:
Humans have been evolutionarily selected for to eat these types of food. More precisely human ancestors were selected for to eat these types of foods. This time period is much longer than the time we have been eating cooked and other "dead" foods.
The evolutionary history of our species may give us some insight in regards to optimum diet, but it isn't going to give us any definite rules. What is important is what selective forces have acted in the most recent past, and whether it has been sufficient to change the earlier diet. Evolution can be pretty quick.
Although examining our closest relatives (and chimpanzees, by the way, do include meat in their diet when they get a chance) will give some insight, the only way to determine the optimum diet for humans will be to do research on actual living humans, by finding correlations between health indicators and diet.
In the end, evolution cannot tell us what the best diet for humans is; at most, it can tell us why a particular diet is optimum once we figure out what it is.

In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

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Chiroptera
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Message 15 of 93 (424377)
09-26-2007 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by kuresu
09-26-2007 5:36 PM


if it has a seed inside (this includes corn and all other grains) it's a fruit.
Well, to put a finer point on it, the unshucked cob may be a fruit. But the part you eat (the corn itself) are the seeds.

In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

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Chiroptera
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Message 31 of 93 (424514)
09-27-2007 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by nator
09-27-2007 10:23 AM


Off-topic addition
Hunter/gatherer societies actually had more liesure time than we do today.
According to forensic evidence, famine was a lot rarer as well.
When I was younger, it was considered somewhat of a mystery to archaeologist and anthropologists why some cultures took up intensive agriculture. A lot more work for a lot less reliable food supply.

In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

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Chiroptera
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Message 34 of 93 (424518)
09-27-2007 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Hyroglyphx
09-27-2007 10:32 AM


Re: Diet
What is hard for them is to supplement enough protein in their diet.
Actually, not as hard as people think. Combine legumes with grains. That pretty much does it for protein. I eat a lot of beans; I eat them with barley (in soups) or over rice. I hear that peanut butter sandwiches also work.
Of course, I also eat dairy products (and eggs), so I have a little less problem with protein and fats than vegans do.

In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

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Chiroptera
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Message 69 of 93 (425110)
09-30-2007 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by crashfrog
09-28-2007 1:22 PM


That's part of the problem. I mean, I live here in Nebraska, one of the biggest beef states in the country, and it still costs an arm and a leg to buy anything but 90/10 ground beef....Fruit? Again, it's either super-expensive or the quality just isn't worth it. The strawberries I buy usually have mold on them the day after I bring them home from the store.
The oranges in my neck of the woods have been terrible lately. So I tried to buy tangelos. Looked pretty good, but I just opened one up -- green and moldy on the inside.
Fortunately, someone left a bag of jelly beans in the staff room. I guess I'll go and pick out all the orange ones.

In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

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Chiroptera
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Message 72 of 93 (425136)
09-30-2007 5:20 PM
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09-30-2007 5:01 PM


Apples around here are so-so. Pears are hard as a rock and end up spoiling before they ripen. In Oregon, I had access to good D'Anjou pears (there was a whole foods store next door to where I lived that tried to find local suppliers), but fruit around here is so-so at best. They all have to shipped in from across the country, I reckon.
Except for the Braeburn apples. The Braeburn apples are really good right now. I wonder whether there's a Braeburn apple orchard nearby (perhaps in Texas or Kansas)?
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