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Message 11 of 65 (426003)
10-04-2007 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bluegenes
10-03-2007 9:14 AM


I'll start things by pointing out that without religion, there would have been no "Gentiles" and no "Jews" in Europe, just people. Religion was and is essential in perpetuating the separate identities.
Absurd on its face.
Here we have an Atheist (Bluegenes) blaming the Holocaust on religion, instead of Hitler.
Ray

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Message 14 of 65 (426030)
10-04-2007 8:53 PM
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10-04-2007 7:06 PM


As pointed out prior Martin Luther was one of the original thinkers that influenced the Nationalist Socialist party. Martin Luther just so happens to also be a religious leader.
We only need to point out that the writer of the above troll-like comment is an Atheist-evolutionist attempting to slander his enemy.
Dr. Lloyd Jones: "Who is preaching the gospel? Whoever is being slandered."
Ray

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Message 15 of 65 (426031)
10-04-2007 8:56 PM
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10-04-2007 7:20 PM


hitler was not the only instrument of the holocaust. you really should take a class before you open your mouth.
i AM Not leaSt bit offhended of yur opiniun, hillbilly.
Ray

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Message 18 of 65 (426038)
10-04-2007 9:13 PM
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10-04-2007 9:02 PM


Ad-hominem. Who iceage is is irrelevant to his point. That Martin Luther's religious teachings heavily influenced the rhetoric Hitler used in executing the Holocaust and forming the Nazi party is a well-known fact.
Show me.
Ray

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Message 23 of 65 (426052)
10-04-2007 9:42 PM
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10-04-2007 9:15 PM


Look what Darwin hath wrought!
Do you agree that many, if not most, christians often try to rationalize the genocidal acts done by the Israelites to the Canaanites?
We have no idea what you are talking about. God ordered death upon the Canaanites for scorning Him and remaining in idolatry.
The point is: whatever God says or does is righteous.
The reason I keep pointing this out is because in order for evil to persist for so long in Nazi Germany, people had to be accepting it and even try to rationalize it. How did they do this?
Darwinism converted science to evolutionism by 1874. Evolution says Genesis is false. In turn, the Wellhausen school in Germany became emboldened and created the Documentary Hypothesis that predictably asserted, without any external evidence, that early Mosaic authorship was false, the Jews conspired to fool the world. Since they were Darwinists and Haeckelysts could we expect them to conclude anything else about the Old Testament? Several decades later their German brothers concluded the same: the Jews were in conspiracy to rule the world, and armed with Darwin's theory they selected their enemies for extinction.
Does that answer your question?
Ray

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Message 26 of 65 (426063)
10-04-2007 10:39 PM
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10-04-2007 9:26 PM


How about Martin Luther's book: "On the Jews and Their Lies"
We know about these writings by Luther, what is your point?
Those are direct quotes from Martin Luther's own book. Martin Luther's ideas were nearly identical to Hitler's.
Luther was the theologian that God chose to ignite the Reformation. His Biblical exegesis gave birth to Protestantism. He murdered nobody. Hitler was an Atheist who claimed to be Christian and took advantage of ancient theological hatreds bewteen Jews and Christians over the death of Christ, just like you are attempting to do. Luther was not a white supremacist, the issues back then were theological. The man who wrote the greatest hymn of the Church (Newton, Amazing Grace) was a slave trader. Both Luther and Newton's positive accomplishments have affected this world for untold good. Any inability to acknowledge these crucial facts and differences can be explained by pointing out your Atheist worldview and intent to slander your enemy (= Protestant Christianity).
Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Creationist-Designist.

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Message 30 of 65 (426206)
10-05-2007 4:58 PM
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10-04-2007 11:02 PM


Are you dense? The antisemitic writings of Luthor are nearly identical to the rhetoric used by Hitler.
An epitome example of troll-like rhetoric.
Luther was enraged due to theological differences; apparently some Jews had called Mary "a whore" and Jesus "a bastard."
Jump ahead several centuries into modern times, and Hitler, an educated white supremacist, empowered by Darwin's theory and its racial superiority implications, which quickly emerged as the doctrine of eugenics, founded by his cousin, seeking power, justifies some of his wickedness by quote mining Luther. And you are doing the same: connecting Luther to have somehow been responsible for things that Darwin and evolution caused.
Not relevant to this topic.
Facts that expose the typical hate and smear agenda of evolutionists are always relevant.
Prove that Hitler was not Christian. We have posted ample evidence showing he was...SNIP
You have not posted any evidence supporting the claim of Christianity in behalf of Hitler. Since he murdered millions of persons, including many Catholics and Protestants, he was an Atheist.
Your entire case rests upon believing Hitler while ignoring the genocide he caused.
And I resent the idea that I'm "taking advantage of ancient theological hatreds." I'm providing evidence showing Hitler was a Christian, and used the teachings of Martin Luthor in his mission of hate.
I agree that he used Luther, this is not in dispute. What is in dispute is your refusal to see that it was slander and hijack by an Atheist in the process of murdering millions of persons. Since you refuse to acknowledge the context of Luther's profanity (theological) and not racial, but are engaged in a connection based solely on rhetoric, you are an anrgy hate filled Atheist attacking Protestant Christianity, what else is new?
Im not slandering anyone. It's not slander if it's true, Ray.
Blaming Hitler on Luther is slander of Luther and all Protestants. The degree of slander employed (which in this case is extreme) is equal to the degree that you hate Protestant Christianity. Since you are an Atheist-evolutionist we have an obvious explanation for your slander.
Ray

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Message 31 of 65 (426215)
10-05-2007 5:14 PM
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10-04-2007 11:09 PM


Re: Look what Darwin hath wrought!
My point exactly. It is exactly this mentality that has allowed atrocities to persist throughout the ages.
Does that include Atheist-communist regimes of the 20th century that murdered at least 100 million persons in less than nine decades?
Do you not see the correlation between "whatever the furher says or does is righteous" and "whatever god says or does is righteous"?
You have misunderstood, Tazmanius Devilus. The latter quote in your blue box was made in the context of "in the Bible." I am not used to debating persons who have no reading comprehension.
Ray

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Message 47 of 65 (426416)
10-06-2007 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Dr Adequate
10-05-2007 6:39 PM


Adequately racist
Couldn't God have chosen a nicer person? There must have been a few people available who weren't vile anti-semites.
"Question" presupposes moral perfection exists.
We know for a fact that you are also anti-semite and a gutter racist.
Any person who accepts Darwinism is both. Darwin, by rejecting Genesis, said the Jews conspired to fool the world with a special creation origin. And since all Darwinists accept Wellhausen JEPD, which said school were converted Darwinists, it says the Jews conspired to fool the world with an early Mosaic authorship.
Decades later, their German ideologues, the Nazi's, educated evolutionists, said the Jews were in conspiracy to rule the world and they selected them for extinction (since "God does not exist and we are apes").
And, since all Darwinists believe in human evolution, this confirms what gutter racists you are. Africans do not resemble apes and Zaire pygmies are not quasi-transitional, but Darwinists say human evolution from apes originated out of Africa = gutter racism concealed "as science." We also know Darwinists caged Africans with apes early 20th century to exhibit human evolution, and we were assured the claim was based on evidence.
Apparently, God did not select you, Adequate, a anti-semite who thinks the Jews conspired to fool the world, and a gutter racist who believes in human evolution.
Ray
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Message 49 of 65 (426422)
10-06-2007 3:53 PM
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10-06-2007 3:37 PM


Re: Adequately racist
Show a quote from Darwin where Darwin said the Jews conspired to fool the world please so that we may see the point you are trying to make.
Darwinism says Genesis is false, and that Darwin discovered the real truth exposing the Jews and their origin lies.
Ray

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