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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
We only need to point out that the writer of the above troll-like comment is an Atheist-evolutionist attempting to slander his enemy. What's the slander? Those are literally Martin Luther's own words.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
We only need to point out that the writer of the above troll-like comment is an Atheist-evolutionist attempting to slander his enemy. Ad-hominem. Who iceage is is irrelevant to his point. That Martin Luther's religious teachings heavily influenced the rhetoric Hitler used in executing the Holocaust and forming the Nazi party is a well-known fact. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Ad-hominem. Who iceage is is irrelevant to his point. That Martin Luther's religious teachings heavily influenced the rhetoric Hitler used in executing the Holocaust and forming the Nazi party is a well-known fact. Show me. Ray
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I'm going to see if I can bring some human reason to the table.
Cold writes:
Do you agree that many, if not most, christians often try to rationalize the genocidal acts done by the Israelites to the Canaanites? Here we have an Atheist (Bluegenes) blaming the Holocaust on religion, instead of Hitler. The reason I keep pointing this out is because in order for evil to persist for so long in Nazi Germany, people had to be accepting it and even try to rationalize it. How did they do this? Obviously, they looked to the teachings of the Nazis without questioning them. It is this same thought process that inspire riverrat, N_J, Buzsaw, Phat, and perhaps even yourself to try to rationalize the horrific acts that were done to the people of Jerico as was told in the Old Testament. We are trying to point out to you that the thought process of having unquestionable faith and rationalization of horrific acts that religion requires people to have was the same thought process that killed 6 million Jews and other so-called undesirables. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
Show me. How about Martin Luther's book: "On the Jews and Their Lies"
Wiki quote: Those are direct quotes from Martin Luther's own book. Martin Luther's ideas were nearly identical to Hitler's. Edited by Rahvin, : Added Wiki link Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
Another pointless useless comment.
Address the material if you please or by your own recommendations you should be suspended.
Martin Luther concerning the Jews writes:
...First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them.... ... [a] base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth... ...I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb.... ...we must drive them out like mad dogs... Martin Luther a theistic luminary. Luther's foaming-at-the-mouth condemnations formed the foundation for what was to come to fruition in the 20th century. By their fruit you will know them, as it is written. Predictable superstitionist cultish meme addled thought processing.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
For those of you who have doubted that I was a prophet of god, here is a prophecy that will come true.
There will indeed be certain christians who will try to rationalize every one of those quotes by Martin Luther. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Do you agree that many, if not most, christians often try to rationalize the genocidal acts done by the Israelites to the Canaanites? We have no idea what you are talking about. God ordered death upon the Canaanites for scorning Him and remaining in idolatry. The point is: whatever God says or does is righteous.
The reason I keep pointing this out is because in order for evil to persist for so long in Nazi Germany, people had to be accepting it and even try to rationalize it. How did they do this? Darwinism converted science to evolutionism by 1874. Evolution says Genesis is false. In turn, the Wellhausen school in Germany became emboldened and created the Documentary Hypothesis that predictably asserted, without any external evidence, that early Mosaic authorship was false, the Jews conspired to fool the world. Since they were Darwinists and Haeckelysts could we expect them to conclude anything else about the Old Testament? Several decades later their German brothers concluded the same: the Jews were in conspiracy to rule the world, and armed with Darwin's theory they selected their enemies for extinction. Does that answer your question? Ray
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
Darwinism converted science to evolutionism by 1874. Evolution says Genesis is false. In turn, the Wellhausen school in Germany became emboldened and created the Documentary Hypothesis that predictably asserted, without any external evidence, that early Mosaic authorship was false, the Jews conspired to fool the world. Since they were Darwinists and Haeckelysts could we expect them to conclude anything else about the Old Testament? Several decades later their German brothers concluded the same: the Jews were in conspiracy to rule the world, and armed with Darwin's theory they selected their enemies for extinction. Does that answer your question? I think that's pretty damned irrelevant, since the vast, vast majority of Evolutionists and Atheists agree with everyone else in that social Darwinism is an horrifically immoral position. While Hitler did subscribe to a form of "survival of the fittest," his determination of who was most fit consisted of a religious/racial test, based on the teachings of Martin Luther. And the scientific Theory of Evolution has absolutely nothing to say regarding philosophy - social Darwininsm is entirely separate.
The point is: whatever God says or does is righteous. And so, if God tells you to murder a baby, that would be a righteous act? If Hitler had actually been instructed by God to kill the Jews, as he hinted at time and again in his speaches, the holocaust would have been righteous and justified? That's sickening, CFO. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
I'm presuming that you didn't pull your info out of a print version.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
How about Martin Luther's book: "On the Jews and Their Lies" We know about these writings by Luther, what is your point?
Those are direct quotes from Martin Luther's own book. Martin Luther's ideas were nearly identical to Hitler's. Luther was the theologian that God chose to ignite the Reformation. His Biblical exegesis gave birth to Protestantism. He murdered nobody. Hitler was an Atheist who claimed to be Christian and took advantage of ancient theological hatreds bewteen Jews and Christians over the death of Christ, just like you are attempting to do. Luther was not a white supremacist, the issues back then were theological. The man who wrote the greatest hymn of the Church (Newton, Amazing Grace) was a slave trader. Both Luther and Newton's positive accomplishments have affected this world for untold good. Any inability to acknowledge these crucial facts and differences can be explained by pointing out your Atheist worldview and intent to slander your enemy (= Protestant Christianity). Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Creationist-Designist.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3955 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
however, i'd suggest a reading of it, since a lot of sources suggest that his issue is doctrinal. as such, it's $5.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
We know about these writings by Luther, what is your point? Are you dense? The antisemitic writings of Luthor are nearly identical to the rhetoric used by Hitler.
Luther was the theologian that God chose to ignite the Reformation. His Biblical exegesis gave birth to Protestantism. He murdered nobody. Not relevant to this topic.
Hitler was an Atheist who claimed to be Christian and took advantage of ancient theological hatreds bewteen Jews and Christians over the death of Christ, just like you are attempting to do. Prove that Hitler was not Christian. We have posted ample evidence showing he was - can you refute it with anything other than your own say-so, or appeals to motive and ad-hominems? And I resent the idea that I'm "taking advantage of ancient theological hatreds." I'm providing evidence showing Hitler was a Christian, and used the teachings of Martin Luthor in his mission of hate.
Luther was not a white supremacist, the issues back then were theological. I never said he was. The only reason race is at all relevant is because being Jewish identifies both a religion and a race.
The man who wrote the greatest hymn of the Church (Newton, Amazing Grace) was a slave trader. Both Luther and Newton's positive accomplishments have affected this world for untold good. I would disagree, but this is off topic.
Any inability to acknowledge these crucial facts and differences can be explained by pointing out your Atheist worldview and intent to slander your enemy (= Protestant Christianity). Im not slandering anyone. It's not slander if it's true, Ray. And all Ive posted is directly from the writings of Luthor himself. My Atheist worldview is irrelevant. I see no evidence for a deity - this has nothing to do with whether Hitler was a Christian. Dismissing my arguments becasue I am an Atheist is both an ad-hominem and an appeal to motive fallacy.
Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Creationist-Designist. That's a long-winded label there, Ray. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Cold writes:
My point exactly. It is exactly this mentality that has allowed atrocities to persist throughout the ages. The point is: whatever God says or does is righteous. If there's no christian willing to say something against this, I must assume that they are in agreement with what you just said. Hence, my point exactly. In order to be a christian, you must sometimes be willing to commit horrific acts against humanity. Do you not see the correlation between "whatever the furher says or does is righteous" and "whatever god says or does is righteous"? Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Are you dense? The antisemitic writings of Luthor are nearly identical to the rhetoric used by Hitler. An epitome example of troll-like rhetoric. Luther was enraged due to theological differences; apparently some Jews had called Mary "a whore" and Jesus "a bastard." Jump ahead several centuries into modern times, and Hitler, an educated white supremacist, empowered by Darwin's theory and its racial superiority implications, which quickly emerged as the doctrine of eugenics, founded by his cousin, seeking power, justifies some of his wickedness by quote mining Luther. And you are doing the same: connecting Luther to have somehow been responsible for things that Darwin and evolution caused.
Not relevant to this topic. Facts that expose the typical hate and smear agenda of evolutionists are always relevant.
Prove that Hitler was not Christian. We have posted ample evidence showing he was...SNIP You have not posted any evidence supporting the claim of Christianity in behalf of Hitler. Since he murdered millions of persons, including many Catholics and Protestants, he was an Atheist. Your entire case rests upon believing Hitler while ignoring the genocide he caused.
And I resent the idea that I'm "taking advantage of ancient theological hatreds." I'm providing evidence showing Hitler was a Christian, and used the teachings of Martin Luthor in his mission of hate. I agree that he used Luther, this is not in dispute. What is in dispute is your refusal to see that it was slander and hijack by an Atheist in the process of murdering millions of persons. Since you refuse to acknowledge the context of Luther's profanity (theological) and not racial, but are engaged in a connection based solely on rhetoric, you are an anrgy hate filled Atheist attacking Protestant Christianity, what else is new?
Im not slandering anyone. It's not slander if it's true, Ray. Blaming Hitler on Luther is slander of Luther and all Protestants. The degree of slander employed (which in this case is extreme) is equal to the degree that you hate Protestant Christianity. Since you are an Atheist-evolutionist we have an obvious explanation for your slander. Ray
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