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Rahvin
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Message 17 of 65 (426036)
10-04-2007 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Cold Foreign Object
10-04-2007 8:53 PM


We only need to point out that the writer of the above troll-like comment is an Atheist-evolutionist attempting to slander his enemy.
Ad-hominem. Who iceage is is irrelevant to his point. That Martin Luther's religious teachings heavily influenced the rhetoric Hitler used in executing the Holocaust and forming the Nazi party is a well-known fact.

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Message 20 of 65 (426046)
10-04-2007 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Cold Foreign Object
10-04-2007 9:13 PM


Show me.
How about Martin Luther's book: "On the Jews and Their Lies"
Wiki
quote:
"I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them"
"There is no other explanation for this than the one cited earlier from Moses ” namely, that God has struck [the Jews] with 'madness and blindness and confusion of mind.' So we are even at fault in not avenging all this innocent blood of our Lord and of the Christians which they shed for three hundred years after the destruction of Jerusalem, and the blood of the children they have shed since then (which still shines forth from their eyes and their skin). We are at fault in not slaying them. Rather we allow them to live freely in our midst despite all their murdering, cursing, blaspheming, lying, and defaming; we protect and shield their synagogues, houses, life, and property. In this way we make them lazy and secure and encourage them to fleece us boldly of our money and goods, as well as to mock and deride us, with a view to finally overcoming us, killing us all for such a great sin, and robbing us of all our property (as they daily pray and hope). Now tell me whether they do not have every reason to be the enemies of us accursed Goyim, to curse us and to strive for our final, complete, and eternal ruin!"
And this part sounds familiar:
"First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. ..."
"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. ..."
"Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. ..."
"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. ..."
"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. ..."
"Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them. ... Such money should now be used in ... the following [way]... Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed [a certain amount]..."
"Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow... For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants."
"If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country" and "we must drive them out like mad dogs."
  —Martin Luther
Those are direct quotes from Martin Luther's own book. Martin Luther's ideas were nearly identical to Hitler's.
Edited by Rahvin, : Added Wiki link

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Rahvin
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Message 24 of 65 (426057)
10-04-2007 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Cold Foreign Object
10-04-2007 9:42 PM


Re: Look what Darwin hath wrought!
Darwinism converted science to evolutionism by 1874. Evolution says Genesis is false. In turn, the Wellhausen school in Germany became emboldened and created the Documentary Hypothesis that predictably asserted, without any external evidence, that early Mosaic authorship was false, the Jews conspired to fool the world. Since they were Darwinists and Haeckelysts could we expect them to conclude anything else about the Old Testament? Several decades later their German brothers concluded the same: the Jews were in conspiracy to rule the world, and armed with Darwin's theory they selected their enemies for extinction.
Does that answer your question?
I think that's pretty damned irrelevant, since the vast, vast majority of Evolutionists and Atheists agree with everyone else in that social Darwinism is an horrifically immoral position. While Hitler did subscribe to a form of "survival of the fittest," his determination of who was most fit consisted of a religious/racial test, based on the teachings of Martin Luther. And the scientific Theory of Evolution has absolutely nothing to say regarding philosophy - social Darwininsm is entirely separate.
The point is: whatever God says or does is righteous.
And so, if God tells you to murder a baby, that would be a righteous act? If Hitler had actually been instructed by God to kill the Jews, as he hinted at time and again in his speaches, the holocaust would have been righteous and justified?
That's sickening, CFO.

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Message 28 of 65 (426069)
10-04-2007 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Cold Foreign Object
10-04-2007 10:39 PM


We know about these writings by Luther, what is your point?
Are you dense? The antisemitic writings of Luthor are nearly identical to the rhetoric used by Hitler.
Luther was the theologian that God chose to ignite the Reformation. His Biblical exegesis gave birth to Protestantism. He murdered nobody.
Not relevant to this topic.
Hitler was an Atheist who claimed to be Christian and took advantage of ancient theological hatreds bewteen Jews and Christians over the death of Christ, just like you are attempting to do.
Prove that Hitler was not Christian. We have posted ample evidence showing he was - can you refute it with anything other than your own say-so, or appeals to motive and ad-hominems?
And I resent the idea that I'm "taking advantage of ancient theological hatreds." I'm providing evidence showing Hitler was a Christian, and used the teachings of Martin Luthor in his mission of hate.
Luther was not a white supremacist, the issues back then were theological.
I never said he was. The only reason race is at all relevant is because being Jewish identifies both a religion and a race.
The man who wrote the greatest hymn of the Church (Newton, Amazing Grace) was a slave trader. Both Luther and Newton's positive accomplishments have affected this world for untold good.
I would disagree, but this is off topic.
Any inability to acknowledge these crucial facts and differences can be explained by pointing out your Atheist worldview and intent to slander your enemy (= Protestant Christianity).
Im not slandering anyone. It's not slander if it's true, Ray. And all Ive posted is directly from the writings of Luthor himself. My Atheist worldview is irrelevant. I see no evidence for a deity - this has nothing to do with whether Hitler was a Christian. Dismissing my arguments becasue I am an Atheist is both an ad-hominem and an appeal to motive fallacy.
Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Creationist-Designist.
That's a long-winded label there, Ray.

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