AG writes:
I find it interesting how I have discussed the meaning of Christianity with jar in chat for several dozen hours. I find his belief that God made the ultimate sacrifice by becoming human in the form of Christ far more admirable and perhaps even plausible, than any other explanation. I also believe that people like Jar and Ringo want to make people think about their beliefs as opposed to any demand that all must unquestioningly follow anyone who claims personal infalliblity.
I don't claim personal infallibility (apparently the Pope does). Rather, I proclaim myself to tell (as best I know how) the truth. Perhaps Jar and Ringo also proclaim. Assuming they get to claim as well as me: you get to chose who 'most' represents the truth.
Lets not forego YOUR choice in all this. In retrospect it's key.
In other words, perhaps if you actually sought to understand how jar thinks you would ask as opposed to claim perfect knowledge of his heart and condemn him without any desire to understand. Perhaps you may then stand on firmer ground in regard to your opinions concerning his religious beliefs.
Different subject and level. When it comes to Jar the conclusion is obvious. Not to you perhaps. But then again you are lost so there is a worldly excuse for you not seeing it.
Your major presupposition is that all float in the same boat as you. But we don't. That should not be taken as meaning "better than you" or "more advanced than you". Far from it. You could as well end up "greater" than me in the Kingdom of Heaven..as not. That I have been 7 years a Christian and you could, in 3 years time, end up a Christian counts for (delightfully)... nought.
As to Phat, whom I have also discussed Christianity with for many hours on chat, I find his almost childlike faith in God to be quite charming if not as comprehensively and ruthlessly self examined as jar's. Plus, just because Phat appears to have an agreeable and pleasant personality, is that grounds to dismiss the nature of his personal relationship with God?
The grounds are not the nature of the relationship. The grounds are the basis on which it is formed. Phat is borderline in my own opinion. He is so in bed with God's declared enemies it becomes problematic as to which side he is fighting on. An apprentice to Jar-think. Or a Christian. One day all will find out.
, from what little I can know of you from your posts, with all the self-righteous judgment of others, all I can say is I hope you come off as more likeable in person. I am not impressed by any individual theology that begins with 'my way, or the highway' or 'how dare you question ME.'
Question away...
Baptists around here make a big deal about the question "What would Jesus do?" From what I understand, Jar has helped build churches and is currently creating websites for several for free. Phat is currently volunteering his time counseling troubled youth in prison.
Great!! God help them should they consider their work to have a thing to do with entrance to heaven. I know that Jar thinks so ("I'm trying a stairway to heaven"). Phat? Dunno.
My question to you Iano is, considering how much you appear to negatively judge others as to the quality of their actions in regard to Christianity, what have you done lately?
Nothing of note. Thank God salvation is by faith and not by works
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