[I recognize the fact that while the post I am responding to was a reply to one of my messages, you are apparently speaking directly to Phat.]
I would not go so far as Ray and imply that Jar is beyond redemption however - he is lost but he can be found (I sincerely hope)
I never said any person (much less Jar) was beyond redemption. What I did say was to explain how Jar could think of himself as a Christian while arguing against the Bible like any given Atheist might do.
Surely the contradiction is obvious: Jar: "the Bible is mythical and not true in its history or science; but I am still a Christian."
Why would anybody be a Christian if the source is completely false?
This question is NOT answerable.
This is why in my original post in this topic:
Message 66 I said that we only need to explain Jar's belief about himself (which I did).
As for Phat: he is certainly more "Christian" than Jar. I am not blind to his religious indications, but their are heathen priests in Japan and Haiti that can talk in tongues better than any Pentecostal and they tell you for certain that their source is Satan. We know Charles Darwin feigned Deism after 1836, but he was, in fact, an Atheist. Society is loaded with persons who wear crosses and say Protestant things. The point is that the Bible provides us with ways to determine who is walking with God and who is walking with Satan.
The Bible says if the secular world approves of you or the religious status quo then you are walking with Satan. In the Bible, those who walk with God are persecuted by the world and the religious establishment. Since the Atheist-evolutionists of EvC approve of Phat, in this context this evidence tells us that Phat is not walking with God. It is axiomatic: whoever the world approves of is not walking with God - no exceptions. Phat is a Moderator and a evolutionist, he cares more about being liked by the status quo here than the word of God, which he pays lip service to. No matter how you slice it there is something wrong with the Christianity of a person who agrees with Richard Dawkins concerning the origin of mankind. Dawkins believes in human evolution because it flatly contradicts the Bible. The claim is founded on anti-God suppositions that predetermine and guarantee the conclusions, yet Phat, in "love with his Savior," thinks God understands, and has given him an exemption. What makes any person think that God would approve of any person who accepts the presuppositions of Materialism or Naturalism?
He does not. God would never contradict His word and say it is okay to exclude Him.
This is why I said Jar and Phat, like all TEists, are proof positive for the existence and power of Satan to deceive.
Ray