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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote:Except, agreed by those scientists, that speech is indefinable, different from communications, no other life has ever had speech, it came suddenly and in advanced mode. These quotes were put up in the preamble. And they do contradict ToE. quote: No, I, and anyone else, will be wrong if speech is defined - with respect to the talking parrots desperation. We have nothing to compare speech with, is what it means. That is what 'unique' on this planet, in all its 4.5B history, and of the known universe, is all about. Have you sufficiently contemplated the implications if Genesis was correct about speech's emergence dating? There is more evidence that speech endowed humans - and their populations and mental prowess imprints, are as per Genesis than ToE. Is it a fluke there is no history per se before that date - not a single name of a human or event recalled by any human? quote: I did.
quote: I recall not running, but was barred for 2 days because I was warned to define what is indefinable - even after I posted leading scientists' assertions, speech is not definable or explainable scientifically. The issue is hardly about running away but confronting the issue correctly. I vindicated my stance, and there was no more requirement. It is a stumbling block which will not go away by semantical or science manipulations. Confronting the issue requires the acceptance speech contradicts certain pillars of ToE, and the acknowledgement of the evidences speech is not an extension of communications seen with all other life forms.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: You asked, I replied. Bias is not in the equation, and if it is, not by me. Assess anything by its situation and opposing factors, devide by time period, multiply by positive factors contributed to humanity in the face of it [how's your mobile and pc working!]. America has had more time, but I agree she has been there to save many nations, and will probably save many other asses in the future. The wars have put a pause on science going forward, but many nations would go belly up if they never had US commerce backup, and had to defend and incur legit wars. I wish Canada would deal with the issue of Iran, and let others restore science.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: My links contained the best regarded scientists in the world today. Chomsky himself says language has no analogue elsewhere, so its definition in line with parrot mimicking should be discussed with his quotes, not what I said. The posts here do not factor any variant science responsa on the subject, and accuse me instead of correcting your runaway statements. Every criteria has been responded to, with the back-up of prolofic science experts. Slot it in, w/o paranoic qualifications. You have a problem with science icons like Suzette Elgin, and Lewis Thomas, a distinguished physician, scientist, and longtime director and chancellor of the Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in Manhattan, acknowledged: ” ...Language is so incomprehensible a problem that the language we use for discussing the matter is itself becoming incomprehensible’ http://www.trueorigin.org/language01.aspNo known language in the whole of human history can be considered ”primitive’ in any sense of the word. In her book, What is Linguistics? Suzette Elgin wrote: ”the most ancient languages for which we have written texts”Sanskrit for example”are often far more intricate and complicated in their grammatical forms than many other contemporary languages.’[40] Figure 5. The most ancient languages for which we have written texts are often far more intricate and complicated in their grammatical forms than many contemporary languages. The late Lewis Thomas, a distinguished physician, scientist, and longtime director and chancellor of the Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in Manhattan, acknowledged: ” ...Language is so incomprehensible a problem that the language we use for discussing the matter is itself becoming incomprehensible’.[41] It appears that, from the beginning, human communication was designed with a tremendous amount of complexity and forethought, and has allowed us to communicate not only with one another, but also with the Designer of language. Also, consider that when language first appears on the scene, it already is fully developed and very complex. The late Harvard paleontologist George Gaylord Simpson described it this way:”Even the peoples with least complex cultures have highly sophisticated languages, with complex grammar and large vocabularies, capable of naming and discussing anything that occurs in the sphere occupied by their speakers. The oldest language that can be reconstructed is already modern, sophisticated, complete from an evolutionary point of view.’[45] Chomsky summed it up well when he stated:”Human language appears to be a unique phenomenon, without significant analogue in the animal world ... There is no reason to suppose that the ”gaps’ are bridgeable. There is no more of a basis for assuming an evolutionary development from breathing to walking.’[46]. Here's a counter scientific responsa to some of the factors debated here. The most relevent factors are quoted in preamble:Unique: The evidence conclusively implies that humans were created with the unique ability to employ speech for communication. Re.Evolutionists' distortions to pose speech as another communication extention: Design implies a Designer; thus, evolutionists have conjured up theories that consider language nothing more than a fortuitous chain of events. Most of these theories involve humans growing bigger brains, which then made it physiologically possible for people to develop speech and language.No non-human languages exist: In The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Human Evolution, editors Jones, Martin, and Pilbeam conceded that ”there are no non-human languages,’ and then went on to observe that ”language is an adaptation unique to humans, and yet the nature of its uniqueness and its biological basis are notoriously difficult to define’ [emphasis added] No pre-6000 speech: In fact, in the Atlas of Languages, this remarkable admission can be found: ”No languageless community has ever been found’.[5] This represents no small problem for evolution.Speech emerged suddenly, not via evolution: But there is a single, common theme that stands out amidst all the theories: ”The world’s languages evolved spontaneously. They were not designed’ [emphasis added].[7] The Origin of Language and Communication
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Never mind the hardware. The soft, 'relevent' parts come not from Finland, Taiwan or America.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Its not like I cannot define the dif between a pink and black cadilac - is it? The reason language is indefinable applies to its biological mechanism [according to sciences], and its origins. Why not accept the quotes provided - if they cannot convince, who can!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
When you mentioned your mobile comes from finland, Taiwan and America, I assumed you referred to which country introduced its software - not the hardware metal or color of the outer casket. Back to biology.
11 [As] the partridge that has gathered together what it has not laid is the one making riches, but not with justice. At the half of his days he will leave them, and in his finale he will prove to be senseless.”” (JEREMIAH 17:9-11 The OT is astounding in its inherent knowledge of animals: I only saw that example with patridges in a wild life doc, not realising it was documented in the OT 1000s of years ago. The same is done in a host of other instances, with majestic expressionisms like 'AS AN EAGLE SHIELDS HER YOUNG UNDER HER WINGS' - eat your heart out, Shakespear. The knowledge is widespread and covers all life forms, including virus and bacteria, fishes, birds [w and w/o wings], mammals, beasts, creapy crawlys and the minutae differences in them. The pig is singled out with a hidden biological attribute not shared by any other life form, while 3 other animals are declared as exhibiting the reverse of the pig; fish are differentiated by scales and fins; shell fish by their scavenging [cleansing the oceans] but potentially harmful for consumption. Most astounding is the differentiating of a speech endowed life form, categorising them as a unique 'kind' - in the OT's first recordings of life form emergence chronologies [eat your heart out, darwin], and the designation of humans as a separate group - a direct challenge to ToE's speciations blunder which never factored speech in its equation: today, this is acknowledged by the world's greatest scientists, even that speech was not an extension of communications seen in all life forms. It is correct and credible all animal rights laws come from this source - exclusively and before the term 'biology' was coined. It becomes more amazing that those laws are reflected in animal rights activists displaying their intense compulsions in its pursuit. Their compulsions would come from 'forces' embedded in nature, designating what we call nature to the declarations in the OT statutes and laws - the 'Butterfly Effect? If it sounds like a duck and looks like a duck...
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
This is sloppy at best and repeating false witness at worse. And it still does not make your point: not one of them said speech was undefinable as you (falsely) claimed. *undefinable* is a definition, analogous and synonimic to terms such as: 'notoriously difficult to define’:
quote: quote: 'A ”puzzle’ indeed!':
quote: 'No analogue for speech':
quote: The links to these are included in previous posts. I'm not lazy nor my quotes false or quoted falsely. I don't need to track a famed scietist's quotes down to the BB for you. Your in denial - same as those religious fanatics.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: ... namely the reality that speech is an exclusive human attribute with no precedent or parallel: declared over 3000 years ago and fully vindicated today [notwithstanding contrived semantics of the deniers]. I'm not in bad company with science or scientists in those quotes, who agree if the basis of speech is not understood, it makes definition a moot point. Notwithstanding, all factors remain in tact: no one can prove speech existed before 6000 [Genesis wins - and excuses are many], and no one can prove it did not emerge suddenly and in advanced mode [Genesis wins]; while grunts have been around all spacetimes [atheists lose]. The defectors cannot feel pride. Genesis wins - again. Shout MYTH - if you can define it! QED.
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