Vapour canopy and fountains of the deep

Nemesis Juggernaut They must have a great deal of difficulty with Genesis 2:10,13 and 14 then. Since a river is dependent upon rainfall in order to exist how exactly do the creationists deal with this problem? Especially since these rivers are mentioned as occurring before Noah we are also left wondering at the notion creationists have of there being no rainbow before the flood as well.It seems that there is very little input from the creationist side concerning these statements. Am I too take it then that they have no real arguement that holds water? {pun intended}

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Accordingly, God caused the canopy to rupture, along with the fountains of the deep, where it subsequently flooded the earth.

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Thank you, I always love creationists just admitting Goddidit.A magic being, leaving no evidence, overcame a senario which kill most life and left no evidence of its act...

They believed that the fountains of the deep, such as huge, cavernous springs, fed the tributaries. Probably because no one ascribes to it within our resident creationists. You have to remember that the VC theory has been antiquated now for a number of years. Anyone who subscribes with AiG or ICR probably dropped the theory at their behest.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Buz still does. Message 62

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All YEC 'flood geology' today perpetuates ideas first given widespread attention in The Genesis Flood by Whitcomb and Morris (1960). This is the book that put a 'global catastrophic flood' into circulation as a catch-all explanation for geological phenomena. By making YEC seem more scientifically plausible it slowed a previously growing trend amount religious conservatives toward OEC and theistic evolution.The 'vapour canopy' was an important feature of Morris's argument. Another was that humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time--an argument supported in the book by references to Carl Baugh's 'giant human footprints', including this photo: The book was not an attempt to do science but an attempt to make the Noah story sound scientific. The 'vapour canopy', Baugh 'footprints' and mineral dating claims have been withdrawn by AiG. In the decades after the book was released, new discoveries in plate tectonics and genetics rendered its claims not just pseudo-scientific, but antique.YECs are keeping the book's ideas on life support, though, which is why we're here. They have been forced to acknowledge plate tectonic theory. After an initial attempt to invoke miracle--the continents and mountain ranges were created as is, with only an appearance of having been moved around--apologists were obliged to make tectonic activity part of the 'big muddy mess.' This further compresses an impossible series of geological events into a year's time. The approach to genetics has mainly been simple denial. The hypothesis of distinct biblical 'kinds' was falsified in the 1980s. We know that genetic 'kinds' do not exist. Discoveries confirmed evolutionary theory and offered a new window on its driving mechanisms._______Edited by Archer Opterix, : brev.

the fountains of the deep are still held in good name by YEC circles?have any source material? id like to read up on that.

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This statement is false.Yeah so i lurk more than i post, thats why my posts are so low for two year's worth of membership. So sue me.

Oblivious Child,I'm simply telling you what some creationists have believed. There's no need to reprimand me, thanks.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

I'm not the one oblivious to the fact that heat has a way of killing life.That has been a issue in several threads for the past 4 days and not a single creationist has dealt with it.

I've been very candid in explaining all of the problems with the theory. Cripes, I'm the one who posted information on how the heat would have been so intense so as to not allow for life in the first place. For some odd reason, you took this to mean the exact opposite and decided to be a total jackass to me. I'm left wondering what exactly it was that caused your outburst. Probably because they don't ascribe to it.... Why would they chime in to defend it if they didn't agree with it?If I started a thread on recapitulation, would I expect any evolutionist on the forum to try and defend it? No, I wouldn't. Why would I expect it?

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Walt Brown has the whole asteroid belt being launched by the FotD:
The Center for Scientific Creation: Home of the Hydroplate TheoryTake your anti-nausea medicine before you start reading.

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low for life in the first place. For some odd reason, you took this to mean the exact opposite and decided to be a total jackass to me. I'm left wondering what exactly it was that caused your outburst.

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I remember you make similar statements in the past. You'll have to excuse me. It's been a while.

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Probably because they don't ascribe to it.... Why would they chime in to defend it if they didn't agree with it?

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Because they made the argument that results in that outcome and they keep making it despite people bringing the heat factor in. Buzz even tried to say that there wouldn't be any heat. That's pretty insane but whatever.

If there were a canopy as per the Biblical historical record, it would have been created before living things and before the sun and moon were created in day four. The precise amount of heat would be applied to formation of it. Uniform world wide heat under the canopy would cause the vapor to rise higher than our present cooler atmosphere and the higher the atmospheric canopy rose, the less dense the vapor would become with the effect of lessening the heat below. How high and how dense is unknown as we have no model for it that I am aware of. Also the chemical makeup of the canopy is unknown which may have some bearing on the heat factor. The lush vegetation coupled with fewer & smaller oceans over the entire globe including the poles would also consume much CO2 and increase the O, perhaps supportive to the long life as recorded for the preflood era.Btw, have you heard the recent news that an estimated one quarter of the earth's entire oil supply lies underneath Antarctica? Imo, that is supportive to the canopy hypothesis being the oil would be indicative of extensive vegetation and other life.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

Don't forget the fountains of the deep as per the Biblical historical record. There were likely relatively shallow and smaller bodies of water/seas & lakes which had these fountains in them. The water would overflow the lakes/seas and feed the rivers. These fountains were also likely in the hills and higher plains which created streams, creeks and rivers. There was likely an ecosystem which cycled the misty rain down to be evaporated up durning the daytime.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

Or it could be indicative of Pangea (250 million years ago) where there was a super continent that had lots of plant life and a significant amount of plant life ended up as oil?

Again just a point of thought. Higher concentrations of oxygen in the atmosphere is not a good thing for mammals in general. Being exposed to higher concentrations in general just messes with the pulmonary system as well as numerous other systems in the body (i.e. it can cause . The biggest thing though is that adding more oxygen into the air does very little to affect the human lifespan. One could argue that actually higher concentrations of oxygen in the air would actually be adverse to human life expectancy as it increases general oxygenation of muscles etc, which can potentially lead to an increase of Radical Oxygen Species which are implicated in genetic/protein/membrane mutations which lead to cancers and other very unpleasant conditions that can considerably shorten a person's life span. (As much as the body does have a number of mechanisms to reverse or prevent damage from these types of attacks, the mechanisms are eventually overwhelmed). (sorry about splitting the reply to your message) Oxygen Toxicity