Childhood Vaccinations – Necessary or Overkill?

I only included it to show that concerns about the efficacy of vaccines are not new. I found this document interesting from a historical perspective, but I also think there is sense in it.

I honestly have to say I'm glad you recovered from your depression and were able to get your life back on track Nator. I know so many people who have gone through horrific experiences in trying to get their depression treated that it's refreshing to hear about someone who was spared that. I don't disagree with anything you've said. You've summed it up well in fact: in treating depression, it's important to address the roots of the problem, whatever they may be. It sounds like you identified yours. For others it isn't always that easy.I'd also ask you to remember that most people who are drawn to alt med are people who have exhausted their possibilities through the conventional medical system. They tend to be very ill, and often desperate. Their trust was placed in a system that was unable to help them. What you are calling "crank" has ended up being a lifeline for people who would otherwise have had nowhere else to turn, and I've watched many of them getting well.

Wow, do you know people with an autistic child? This is an amazing attitude.I agree that there is no evidence that says for certain that vaccination and autism are causally linked. However, it is a fact that autism is much more common than it used to be, and also that children are receiving many more vaccinations than they did in the past. I accept that it is a fallacy to assume that because A and B happened at the same time, they must be connected. But I think it ought to at least prompt some questions. Autism isn't the only disease/condition in children that is on the rise.Do you actually know what causes ADHD? A variety of possibilities have been postulated. Why are you so sure that vaccines cannot possibly contribute? I can't believe you are actually blaming parents for their children having ADHD, I'm gobsmacked. Where is your evidence that it's all the fault of the parents? This is nothing more than an argument from incredulity. Has it been published? Can I see it?You have a few choices there. You can get a vaccine. I'm not stopping you. Or you could megadose vitamin C for shingles. Linus Pauling says it works well.

Does it? I wonder how they'd explain the fact that I had it for three years? What are these studies exactly?Edited by LindaLou, : No reason given.

My child is not a leper and I am not going to let anyone treat her as such. She is not a walking cesspit of disease.There are no studies comparing a vaccinated population to an unvaccinated population to establish the safety of vaccines.There is a link to the CDC site in my post to Molbio girl where the ingredients of vaccines are listed. This should not now be in dispute.It is also a fact that a mother who has acquired immunity to polio, measles, mumps and chicken pox will confer that immunity to her child during its first few months of life.Do you not bother to look up any information?

I think it's lovely that you touched those children's lives in such a way. However, it has to be said that this in itself does not qualify you to diagnose the causes of autism. Cite them please, and give links so that I can look them up. Source? Source? From the UK government's Vaccine Damage Payment Website: They accept that vaccine damage occurs and they pay up to 120,000 tax-free for it.You appear to be unaware of Linus Pauling's work with vitamin C, and hundreds of subsequent studies showing it to be beneficial in a myriad of ways. This is off topic here however; it has been discussed in the holistic medicine threads.

I don't know why my link didn't work. This one should. It is the list of vaccine ingredients on the CDC website.

If we're debating here and you make a claim, it is good form to cite your source so that I can verify your information. I am not aware that a single cause of autism has definitively been proven. "Common knowledge" is not empirical evidence, as Percy and others have painstakingly been telling me. I need to see studies.I don't doubt that you and your family suffer from this, as you say. It's entirely possible that there is a genetic predisposition for it. However, a genetic predisposition does not mean a guarantee that a person will develop a condition.You might want to try considering this from an alt med position. Maybe not. But diet, nutrition, and environment can be powerful factors in things like depression, ADHD, possibly even autism. This is what Purple Dawn was suggesting in her post I believe. There are many factors to take into consideration now, with the prevalence of these conditions on the rise. There could be a food like milk that your family is sensitive to, which triggers symptoms. Chemicals in the environment could trigger symptoms for you. Nutritional deficiencies. Vaccines. This is all speculation, but my point is that nothing here is proven, not even that autism and ADHD are definitely genetic.

Monkey tissue = SV40 (simian virus in the polio vaccine)Bovine tissue = BSEBut yes it's all disturbing, especially since children today receive so many more vaccinations than they did a few decades ago. It means more of these substances being injected at the same time, and more often.

My arguments have all been presented here. It's also clear what people think of them. If serious studies could be done on the effects of vaccines, including the safety of what is in them and the safety of stimulating the immune system in this particuar way, then I would certainly be willing to listen. The studies would need to be conducted by independent organisations, rather than those who manufacture vaccines or who make money from them in some way. The biggest problem I have is that vaccines are assumed to be safe. The truth is that they have not been tested in any satisfactory way.If people are wanting to continue to discuss on a sequel thread then you'll be doing it without me. It's hard work being one voice against so many others and it's impossible to address every post. I'd rather join some topics where it's not "me" vs. "everybody else."