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Message 219 of 327 (369821)
12-14-2006 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
11-20-2006 7:36 PM


Re: autism-sorry, long
autism is a disorder in the development of the anxiety sector of the brain. it is well begun by one or two years of age. the increase in cases is due to an increase in reporting and people who don't just send their useless children off to institutions instead of bothering to find out what is actually wrong with them. many people with autism are more or less "normally" functioning people and not monsters in boxes.
there has been plenty of research in the vaccine-autism arena and there is just as much evidence for antiperspirant causing cancer... NONE.

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Message 289 of 327 (427363)
10-11-2007 9:42 AM
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10-11-2007 9:18 AM


Re: Relevant Recent News about Vaccination Policies
there is NO evidence whatsoever that autism is in any way contributed to by vaccination. there have been tons of studies. the only evidence is crazy parents who want to blame someone for a "disorder" that makes them have to work harder. no evidence. none. and tons of evidence saying it has NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING. NOTHING. oh but my baby shut down the day after his vaccine and i saw his eyes glaze over! and you're insane and inventing stuff.
further, to blame adhd (which no one "suffers" from) on them is just insane. sure, it's possible that much of neurological "disorders" are a mixed spectrum of distinct function which could be a single "disorder" with a handbasket of "malfunctions" which peoples minds exhibit at will. but. it requires a distinct misunderstanding of what makes these "disorders" and how they are aquired (or rather, aren't). stated simply, adhd is inherited. if your kids have it, it's all your fault. stop trying to pass the buck. but. if your child has adhd and can't function as a "normal" human being, it's even more your fault. you failed to give him the tools he needs to succeed. it's more than possible, and you failed. suck it up. some have discussed the potential of acquiring adhd through physical brain trauma, but i don't buy it. having a damaged brain is distinct from having a brain that works differently. my brain doesn't fail to work, it works just fine. but, even if adhd symptoms can be acquired through trauma, the idea that a vaccine can cause trauma (except through insane parents who create a feeling of crisis and attack) is ludicrous.
penicillin is safe and useful and awesome. but, i'm allergic to it. if i take it, i will become psychotic and potentially harm myself and others. should we take penicillin off the market because it causes psychosis?
i have another question for you. the chicken pox vaccine. not only does it prevent chicken pox (a disease that can kill people over the age of 10 or so, and one i've never had), but a study my great-aunt has been involved in at the UT hospital, it has been demonstrated that it cures shingles. amazing. so instead of giving my kid the vaccine, i should expose him to a ravaging virus that almost killed a friend of my brother's in middle school in the hope that he'll get it young and not die so that he can't get it when he's older and die? that's just CRAZY.

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Message 291 of 327 (427365)
10-11-2007 9:47 AM
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10-11-2007 9:31 AM


Re: Vaccinations for public health?
What if I agreed not to let her near your infant until your infant was immunised, just to be on the safe side?
and what about all the other people who come in contact with your child who would come in contact with his child? are you willing to keep your child locked in the house all her life, or make her wear a sign that says "i haven't been vaccinated" as an appropriate warning for anyone she make come in contact with and in turn kill? are you really willing to put her in the position of being responsible for giving someone a deadly or disfiguring disease? dear god, i hope you at least give her the hpv vaccine.
injecting my daughter with mercury, aluminum, antifreeze, bovine and monkey tissue and other substances
you've still failed to demonstrate this. also, there's loads of bovine tissue in my body. mmmm tasty tasty bovine.
Where are the studies?
out there waiting for your eyeballs to read them.
One, if you had had several of these diseases yourself, you would have conferred immunity to your child for its first several months of life.
this immunity is temporary. you can't acquire immunity. you have to build it.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Message 292 of 327 (427367)
10-11-2007 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by Kitsune
10-11-2007 9:45 AM


Re: Grain of Salt Time
you are aware that studies have demonstrated that even severe depression corrects itself after about 6 months, right?

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Message 297 of 327 (427375)
10-11-2007 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by Kitsune
10-11-2007 9:55 AM


Re: Relevant Recent News about Vaccination Policies
Wow, do you know people with an autistic child? This is an amazing attitude.
i have a friend with aspergers and i worked with autistic children for two years in a swim program. every single one of their teachers and parents said they'd never respond, they can't hear you, they don't understand you, they won't learn anything. and yet, every single child learned to swim better while he was with me. maybe they can't swim the english channel. yet. but they did understand me and they did learn. it's uncomfortable to learn to work with people who are different. it's hard. but to do anything but do just that and you're being selfish and lazy.
However, it is a fact that autism is much more common than it used to be
it is being more readily diagnosed instead of just consigning all "retards" to the local institution.
But I think it ought to at least prompt some questions.
it has, and studies have demonstrated that the vaccines clearly have nothing to do with the rise, but rather more ready diagnosis.
Where is your evidence that it's all the fault of the parents?
it's hereditary. fault is really a stretch, but you know as well as i that people feel responsible for their genes.
Do you actually know what causes ADHD?
yes. a genetically sourced subarrousal of the frontal lobe.
This is nothing more than an argument from incredulity.
tell me how a vaccine can cause physical trauma. please.
Has it been published? Can I see it?
i'm not sure. i could call her.
Or you could megadose vitamin C for shingles.
you're joking, right? vitamin c is a water solluble vitamin. the only thing a megadose will do is make my piss smell like oranges.

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Message 299 of 327 (427380)
10-11-2007 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Kitsune
10-11-2007 9:56 AM


Re: Grain of Salt Time
I wonder how they'd explain the fact that I had it for three years?
overlapping cases. or, you're not really depressed. it could be another psychological or neurological condition, or you're simply not fully stimulated by something.
or, it's chronic depression which is different from acute depression, which i assumed you were speaking of. i've had chronic low-grade depression since 4th grade. it is a result from continued abuse relating to my neurological "disorders" and ptsd from personal illness and the death of family members and more abuse resulting from said "disorders". i'll bet you have an underlying stimulus that you're not paying attention to. if you're depressed to the level of not being able to function, there are solutions that don't depend on flavored water.

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Message 301 of 327 (427383)
10-11-2007 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by Kitsune
10-11-2007 10:01 AM


Re: Vaccinations for public health?
My child is not a leper and I am not going to let anyone treat her as such. She is not a walking cesspit of disease.
no, she's probably not a leper. but i'd avoid armadillos. actually, there's a good chance she is a cesspit of disease. most people are, especially children. but, if you really want to ensure that you don't put others at risk, you should take all precautions. you suggested partial quarantine, i just took it to it's logical conclusion.
There is a link to the CDC site in my post to Molbio girl where the ingredients of vaccines are listed. This should not now be in dispute.
your link produced a page that does not exist. i'd suspect your monkey tissue doesn't either.
It is also a fact that a mother who has acquired immunity to polio, measles, mumps and chicken pox will confer that immunity to her child during its first few months of life.
yes, temporarily. shortly, these aquired immunities leave the infant's system.
Do you not bother to look up any information?
do you?

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Message 302 of 327 (427388)
10-11-2007 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by nator
10-11-2007 10:07 AM


Re: Relevant Recent News about Vaccination Policies
my mom had a great uncle. he was "odd". he was also brilliant. he stayed at home and did his own weird thing. how odd was he? he had two rows of teeth because he refused to let anyone pull the baby ones. but, he knew everything about everything. one of the things my mother has decided through her psychological training is that this uncle had asperger's syndrome. but then, he was just a "retard".

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Message 306 of 327 (427393)
10-11-2007 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Kitsune
10-11-2007 10:26 AM


Re: Relevant Recent News about Vaccination Policies
However, it has to be said that this in itself does not qualify you to diagnose the causes of autism.
no, but commonly known studies (which you somehow haven't seen) do.
Cite them please, and give links so that I can look them up.
someone beat me to it.
Source?
sorry, adhd as hereditary is common fucking knowledge. it's the first thing they tell you when you're diagnosed. my brother has it, my mom has it, my dad had it, my maternal grandfather has it, his sister has it, my paternal grandfather probably had it, his other children have it. my fiance has it, his father has it, his mother have it, but she's more importantly probably bipolar, my brother's wife has it, her father has it, her mother has it, all the children i will have will probably have it. the subarrousal of the frontal lobe is also common knowledge. and if it isn't, it ought to be. it's like napoleon crossed the alps in may of 1800. everyone knows it.
From the UK government's Vaccine Damage Payment Website:
how does this demonstrate physical trauma? the us government requires the teaching of abstinence only education. just because a government does somehting doesn't mean it's well founded. governments are often run by complete idiots.
disablement is not necessarily physical trauma.
They accept that vaccine damage occurs and they pay up to 120,000 tax-free for it.
that's nice. i wish i had a way to make my government let me scam it.
You appear to be unaware of Linus Pauling's work with vitamin C
and gladly.

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Message 307 of 327 (427396)
10-11-2007 10:50 AM
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10-11-2007 10:30 AM


Re: Vaccinations for public health?
thank you.
i'm still unimpressed. did you think viruses can survive without a cell home for very long? they've got to get them from somewhere.
i notice you didn't flip out about the egg albumin or chick kidney cells, which no doubt serves the same purpose. why are cows and monkeys scary?

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Message 310 of 327 (427403)
10-11-2007 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by Kitsune
10-11-2007 11:01 AM


Re: Relevant Recent News about Vaccination Policies
There are many factors to take into consideration now, with the prevalence of these conditions on the rise.
the cases are not on the rise, it is the DIAGNOSIS that is on the rise.
But diet, nutrition, and environment can be powerful factors in things like depression, ADHD, possibly even autism.
things like depression, adhd, and autism can be aggravated by the generalized malaise that can come with allergies. my behavior was MUCH worse when i was allergic to foods (cheddar, blue cheeses, apple anything, red grape anything, oats) when i was younger. my behavior was worse when i was aggitated from my monthly hemorhage. depo has since solved that problem. it's like this. if you're trying to not stab someone who is yelling at you, you might be able to do it. but not if someone else is continuously poking you with something and driving you nuts.
There could be a food like milk that your family is sensitive to, which triggers symptoms. Chemicals in the environment could trigger symptoms for you.
my symptoms are not triggered. they are systemic.
This is what Purple Dawn was suggesting in her post I believe.
i think she was referring to environmental factors such as pollution and such, not personal food exposure. as to that, there is almost no similarity in the environment that my grandfather was raised in in 1920s detroit, the life my other grandfather led as a child in 1900s in wyoming and the life i've lived in suburban, nonindustrial communities throughout the southern united states.
This is all speculation, but my point is that nothing here is proven, not even that autism and ADHD are definitely genetic.
says you who refuses to look at evidence.

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Message 312 of 327 (427407)
10-11-2007 11:29 AM
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10-11-2007 11:03 AM


Re: Vaccinations for public health?
Monkey tissue = SV40 (simian virus in the polio vaccine)
wow. you don't even read the rest of your own sources.
IPV has monkey kidney tissue
Rabies has Rhesus fetal lung tissue
DTaP/HEpB/IPV has monkey kidney tissue
5 of these have human albumin or serum. omg people!!! vaccines are soylent green!
Bovine tissue = BSE
the following vaccines have bovine or calf extract, protein, or albumin/serum
DTaP (3 varieties)
DTaP/Hib
DTaP/HepB/IPV
DT
Hep A (Vaqta)
IPV
Measles
Mumps
MMR
MMRV
Pneumococcal (max)
Rabies (Rabavert)
Rotavirus
Rubella
Td (Dec)
Tdap
Typhoid (oral)
Vaccinia
Zoster
yes it's all disturbing
i'm not disturbed. certainly not by including protein from THINGS I EAT in stuff being injected into my body (no i haven't eaten monkeys, but i would). i'm only mildly concerned by the inclusion of formaldehyde and formalin, but not terribly. it's funny that you're not flipping out about the "increase" in cancer. no, it's AUTISM. fruitcakes.
It means more of these substances being injected at the same time, and more often.
dear god someone give me more bovine protein. please. i'm hungry now.

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Message 313 of 327 (427409)
10-11-2007 11:30 AM
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10-11-2007 11:21 AM


Re: Vaccinations for public health?
Did you not read your own link?
no. she didn't even read the part that *might* support her position. why would she read something that *might* refute it?

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Message 319 of 327 (427428)
10-11-2007 12:18 PM
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10-11-2007 10:26 AM


Re: Relevant Recent News about Vaccination Policies
alright, you want source on the common fucking (don't fucking censor me. it'll just make me cuss all the hell more.) knowledge of ADHD being hereditary and having to do with the arousal of the frontal lobe.
ok here goes. some of these have session ids in the addresses, so i've tried to post the titles so you can find them as the link will probably break.
Biochemical markers and genetic research of ADHD.
The research of only some candidate genes (DRD4, DAT, DRD5, DBH, 5HTT, HTR1B and SNAP25) brought relatively consistent results confirming the heredity of ADHD syndromes.
factsheet
Causes of ADHD: Although an increasing amount of research indicates that attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder is the result of a disorder of the brain, so many factors might contribute to it that no single cause is likely to be identified soon. Contributing factors can be divided into (1) psychological causes and (2) environmental causes (IDEA 2004, Friend).
— Physiological Causes- research has explored heredity as a cause in ADHD. It has been found that children whose parents have ADHD are three times more likely to have this disorder that other children (IDEA 2004, Friend).
— Brain differences have also been investigated to cause ADHD. The prefrontal cortex, cerebellum, and the basal ganglia have been found to function differently in individuals with ADHD.
ADHD Prescriptions Run in Families
now, assuming you don't think we're all just druggies...
Like previous studies showing the increasing use of these medications by adults, the study found that in families with both a parent and a child who started to take an ADHD medication during 2005, 41 percent of the time it was the parent filling the prescription first, followed by the parent's filling the prescription for the child.
The study also found a striking correlation between mother and child: in households where both a parent and child began treatment for the first time in 2005, nearly 60 percent of the time it was mother and child, rather than father and child. The average age of the parent beginning ADHD medication was 43 years, while the average age of children beginning treatment was 13 years.
Further findings showed that in families where at least one parent and one child were concurrently taking an ADHD medication, the likelihood of a second child taking the medication was double that of families where the parent was not on the drug.
"Heredity has long been suggested as a cause of ADHD, but this is the first study of significant magnitude to confirm the theory," said Robert Epstein, M.D., Medco's chief medical officer. "These results establish a clear link between parents and children in the use of ADHD medications and, most surprisingly, between mother and child."
Genetic Effects on ADHD Symptomatology in 7- to 13-Year-Old Twins: Results from a Telephone Survey
Model-fitting results suggested that ADHD symptomatology is highly heritable and influenced mostly by additive genetic, specific environmental, and contrast effects. However, this analysis could not exclude with statistical significance additional effects from dominance. The results of the best-fitting bivariate model suggested that the genetic correlation between the two traits is 50% and replicated previous findings of a common genetic factor influencing the comorbidity of ADHD and ODD/CD symptomatologies.
Does the Definition of ADHD Affect Heritability?
Broadly defined pervasive ADHD appears to be as heritable as ADHD behaviors defined by maternal reports alone. A common genetic factor influences maternally rated and teacher-rated ADHD but does not account for all of the genetic variance for teacher-rated ADHD. ADHD symptom scores are highly heritable, and maternal contrast effects appear to vary for different measures.
ADHD in Adulthood: A Guide to Current Theory, Diagnosis, and Treatment
book warning. but, it's by johns hopkins press, so it's a REAL book.
The introductory chapter provides a scholarly overview of the literature on ADHD, addressing key issues, including the clinical course of the disorder in adolescence and adulthood and adult outcomes of children with ADHD, diagnostic features and criteria for ADHD in adulthood, associated symptoms common in adult ADHD but not included in the diagnostic criteria, effects of ADHD on employment and other realms of adult functioning, gender differences in the presentation of ADHD, and roles for biological, genetic, and environmental determinants in the etiology of ADHD.
No Evidence of Sleep Apnea in Children with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
There were no sleep abnormalities in the ADHD children that could be responsible for, or contributing to, the disorder.
Frontal Lobe Functioning in Boys With Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
this study examines the differences between boys with adhd and boys with frontal lobe injuries.
Prior attempts to relate attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) to frontal
lobe dysfunction have yielded mixed results. The present study attempted to minimize
several methodological problems that may have contributed to these inconsisten
cies. A relatively large sample of rigorously defined ADHD boys (n = 66) and
controls (n = 64) at two different age levels were administered a battery of neuro
psychological tests sensitive to frontal damage in adults. ADHD boys were inferior
to controls on a Vigilance task, Stroop, FAS, Rey-Osterrieth Complex Figure, and
Porteus Mazes. The groups did not differ on Trail Making or on aspects of Wis
consin Card Sorting sensitive to cognitive flexibility. ADHD boys and controls were
comparable on several control tasks. Both groups showed a developmental advance
in skills implicating prefrontal cortex between ages 6 to 8 and ages 9 to 11. but
the relative deficit of the ADHD children appeared stable during this period. It is
suggested that a longitudinal study would assist the interpretation of resemblances
and differences between ADHD boys and adults with known frontal lobe impairment.
Perform ance of Children with ADHD on Tests Sensitive to Frontal Lobe Dysfunction.
The performances of 20 children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) were compared with those of 20 matched normal controls on a battery of neuropsychological tests. The ADHD children exhibited impaired function in reading comprehension, verbal learning and memory, and on the Information, Arithmetic, Digit Span, Block Design, and Coding subtests of the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-Revised, but they performed nearly normally on measures of verbal and design fluency and on the Wisconsin Card Sorting Test. The hypothesis that disturbances in frontal lobe function related to impulse control may be responsible for the cognitive impairments observed in ADHD was not supported. Inability to control and direct attention appears to be more central to the pathophysiology of this disorder.
huh. how about that. maybe the frontal lobe thing is bupkis. who knew. awesome.
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and the frontal lobe syndrome.
The usefulness of frontal lobe (FL) dysfunction as a conceptual model for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) was investigated. Twenty-four ADHD and 24 normal control (NC) children were tested using two batteries of tasks. The first was sensitive to FL deficits in motor control and problem solving skills. The second consisted of memory tasks sensitive to temporal lobe dysfunction. ADHD children differed significantly from NCs on measures of FL function, but not on tests of temporal lobe functions. Where norms were available for normal children on the same FL tests, ADHDs performed like 6- to 7-year-olds, despite their mean age of 10 years and minimum age of 8 years. The differential performance of ADHDs on tasks sensitive to FL and temporal lobe dysfunction supports the hypothesis that ADHD deficits are analogous to FL dysfunction and demonstrates that the children's deficits do not reflect generalized cognitive impairment.
oh wait, maybe it isn't bupkis.
A neuropsychological examination of the underlying deficit in attention deficit hyperactivity disorder: frontal lobe versus right parietal lobe theories.
A neuropsychological approach was used to examine the frontal lobe and right parietal lobe theories of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Considerable attempts were made to select as pure a group of ADHD boys as possible. The performance of 10-14-year-old ADHD boys (n = 22), both on and off stimulant medication, was compared with the performance of non-ADHD control boys (n = 22) on tasks purported to assess frontal lobe functioning (Stopping Task, Antisaccade Task, Tower of Hanoi) and right parietal lobe functioning (Visual-Spatial Cuing Task, Turning Task, Spatial Relations). Three important findings emerged: (a) unmedicated ADHD boys exhibited performance deficits on tasks in both frontal and parietal domains compared with control boys, (b) unmedicated ADHD boys appeared to be more severely impaired on the frontal tasks than on the parietal tasks, and (c) medicated ADHD boys performed better in both task domains compared with unmedicated ADHD boys. Several alternative interpretations of the results are discussed.
Frontal lobe functions in attention deficit disorder with and without hyperactivity: A review and research report
Thus, while both types of ADD share some apparent similarities in deficits on a few frontal lobe tests in this study, the totality of existing findings suggests an additional problem with perceptual-motor speed and processing in the ADD/-H group.

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Message 320 of 327 (427429)
10-11-2007 12:20 PM
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10-11-2007 12:00 PM


Re: Vaccine Ingredients
I don't eat evil biscuits as they aggravate my (insert self diagnosis).
i try not to eat biscuits either. they require gravy. together they aggravate my fat ass.
she will probably say she doesn't eat biscuits because they don't have them in england.

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