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crashfrog
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Message 2 of 67 (42009)
06-03-2003 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by johndcal
06-03-2003 3:06 AM


Expected Atheist Response:
"Maybe, if the aliens are so smart, they know enough to not have to bother with religion."
Honestly I think that if we do encounter alien races, our continued belief in the supernatural is just going to be embarrasing. Understandable, because the aliens will probably have been the same way in the past, but embarrasing nonetheless.

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crashfrog
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Message 4 of 67 (42748)
06-12-2003 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by stevo3890
06-12-2003 4:37 PM


you really are a very negative Atheist crashfrog
Yes, I'm highly critical of religion because, in my experience, most people who adopt religion are doing so to avoid doing the hard work of actually thinking about life and morality and human experience. It's far easier to have some potentate tell you what to think.
if you're willing to adopt morals not because of how well they agree with a book but because of how they benefit the humans around you, you don't need religion. You just need eyes to see and a brain to think.
Religion doesn't make you blind by itself - but religion is all too easily substituted for honest, intellectual inquiry into what's good for people.
Anyway my comment was not so much an expression of personal position but rather a semi-ironic attempt to say something that most people of faith would have expected an athiest to say.

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crashfrog
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Message 6 of 67 (42779)
06-12-2003 6:56 PM
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06-12-2003 5:13 PM


thats too bad
Oh? Why?

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crashfrog
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Message 12 of 67 (42813)
06-12-2003 9:01 PM
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06-12-2003 8:02 PM


Why would you want to be an Atheist.
Because I'd rather believe what is true than accept a convinient fiction that, while it makes me feel better about things, prevents me from fully honest inquiry into the universe.
It's not an easy path; but then the right one rarely is...
Religion does do good for people. But the good that it does doesn't come from some god but from themselves. So why can't good happen without religion?

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crashfrog
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Message 15 of 67 (42890)
06-13-2003 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Rrhain
06-13-2003 5:30 AM


Yeah, I simply don't find the threat of hell very compelling. Faced with so many religions that each view the other as wrong, I take the logical step - they're all wrong.
Have you considered the possibility that god is trying to weed out those who take a look around them and come up with some sort of original explanation as to how it came to be, even if that answer is wrong, and who is going to dispense with the chore of thinking and let someone else or even worse let a book do the thinking?
Rrhain, you might like "The Visitor" by Sheri S. Tepper. If you're into s-f and stuff, that is. You sound like you might be.

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crashfrog
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Message 22 of 67 (44007)
06-24-2003 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Newborn
06-24-2003 10:01 PM


Man then blame each other but ALL OF US were borned in sin.
Why is it largely the case that the really enthusiastic Christians on this board never seem to obey the rules of English grammar and spelling? (With the notable, and appreciated, exception of Truthlover.) Are they just too enthusiastic? Or too careless?
As I said the eternal life didnt begin when we die but in this world
in that exact moment.
So, Christians don't die? News to me.
This measures the love of God and therefore is the only thruth and way of salvation.
Interesting - but then, who is this god? The god in the bible doesn't exist. So this must be some other god.

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crashfrog
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Message 24 of 67 (44013)
06-24-2003 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by mike the wiz
06-24-2003 10:13 PM


HE DOES EXIST Crashfrog i have experienced him aswell as thousands but because this is beyond you i say it is you that is ignorant and i find it very hard to believe you know what faith is!
Faith is when you believe in someone, even after they've let you down. Like, as in "I have faith in you." Faith is different than trust because you stop trusting people who betray trust.
I had faith in god. So I totally know what faith means. But I was let down way too many times to believe in god. And when other people talked about their experiences with god, they didn't make any sense. They were talking about things that happen to everybody all the time.
But please, don't accuse me of not knowing what faith is. I was totally Christian. I was just like you. But when I really thought about it, and decided I wanted to know the truth instead of a convinient, assuring fiction, I had to reject faith. I had to.
I'm sorry if you can't understand how somebody could know everything you know, have experiences just like yours, and turn their back on it. But I had to, because I wanted to know the truth. I'm sorry if you can't understand that.
as for the petty attacks on his english, did not God say he would make the simple wise , indeed he has and all you do is insult people - foolish!
I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I just had a reasonable question - why are you, and Newborn, and Booboocruise before you are all alike in two ways - your writing contains many grammatical and spelling errors, and you're all enthusiastic Christians. I'm sorry if you don't like the implication. Perhaps you might avoid it if you increased your use of punctuation, complete sentences, and proper spelling. I'm not asking for perfection; it's just that sometimes it's a little hard to tell what you're saying because of your misuse of English.

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crashfrog
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Message 26 of 67 (44020)
06-24-2003 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Newborn
06-24-2003 10:29 PM


I am Portuguese,thats why i speak bad.
Sure. English as a second language is a good reason. Sorry if I insulted you. Wasn't my intent. Seriously, welcome to the forum.
So, by way of returing to the original topic, do you think this can apply to extraterrestials - space aliens? Not that I think any particular extraterrestrials exist (although they could). Did god send an alien Jesus to their world, or did the Jesus of Earth die for the sins of every intelligent being in the universe? And if so, how could they know that unless they visit?
If we meet aliens, and they turn out to have no belief that's anything like redemptive christianity, what does that mean for christianity?

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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 29 of 67 (44188)
06-25-2003 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Newborn
06-25-2003 9:50 AM


I dont believe in aliens.
Well, I don't believe in them either. But it's an awfully big universe - way too big for just us, I think. There's no indication that all that space is for us. We're certainly not at the center of the universe, as was believed in bible times.
Do you think god would have been so cavalier about wiping away all life on earth in a flood if he hadn't hedged his bets on another planet?
I'd say aliens are a safe bet, somewhere in the huge universe... if so, what could that mean for christianity, in your opinion? Pretend there are aliens, just for a minute.

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