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Author Topic:   The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made
ILoveGod
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Message 250 of 320 (427841)
10-13-2007 4:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
04-15-2007 11:46 PM


Proof is easy
Hey well to get a few things straight first... there have not always been "books", in fact there was scripture way before the "codex" and you can find it on papyrus, cuniform tablets, and many other forms. And the accuracy of the Bible is amazing, there were scrolls containing old testament books knows as the dead sea scrolls which are scientifically dated centuries before Jesus's birth, which are exactly the same as the old testament we translate the Bible from today except for like 7 words and 14 letters, which mean the same thing as what we have for them. That is not the case however with man made books. Take shakespeare's hamlet for example, which is known 100% factually to have been changed so much it is a far cry from the original story. The New Testament however has records from many Christian, non-Christian, and anti-Christian sources that back up what it says. Including the emporer nero, a man named Tachitus, and several other emperor's kings, and famous peoples.
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ILoveGod
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Message 251 of 320 (427847)
10-13-2007 5:34 AM
Reply to: Message 245 by jar
10-08-2007 1:03 PM


Re: spurious is a poor choice of wording.
ok first off, the 10 commandments... the first 4 are between us and God, and the next 6 are between us and each other.
and Interestingly enough, the idea of civilization being the same today as it was back when God gave the 10 commandments with the old covenant to the Hebrews. is ridiculous.
We are living in a world that has had a complete turn around since the birth of Jesus Christ (see the next paragraph). Have you ever asked yourself... What if Jesus had never been born?
An EXTREMELY good movie/documentary actually entitled "what if Jesus had never been born?" can be watched for free online by clicking on any of these links (But you will need to have RealPlayer (it's free) Enjoy RealPlayer from RealNetworks everywhere installed to watch them)
DIAL-UP Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church | Gospel-Centered. Culture Shaping.
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or by going to the actual web page
http://www.coralridge.org/whatif/pressroom.asp?id=clips&on=5
Sure you can bring up some of the things some false Christians did, but they were not really Christians... they just were outwardly, which means they were just pretending to be. And false Christians involved in the crusades again were just pretending to be Christians, that is, they pretended to turn the other cheek, and pretended to pray for those who persecute them, and pretended to love each other as Jesus loved us. Or else they wouldn't have murdered all of those people. Christian means to be a follower of Christ, not one who only pretends to be.
Jesus said He would have to go so that the comforter may come... before Jesus Christ came the Holy Spirit was given out in small measures, but now that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to us, we can be born of the Spirit and have a Godly nature instead of the fleshly nature. And without having the Holy Spirit in you, you will have an extremely difficult time obeying the 10 commandments, t would be the old nature (Human nature) trying to do Good and be perfect which the old nature is actually against.
with love,
Cliff Harris
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ILoveGod
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Message 254 of 320 (427977)
10-13-2007 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by iceage
10-13-2007 5:48 AM


Re: Proof is easy
you are misinformed. If you want to play the "research from any uncredited website" we can also assume elvis presly never was killed, britney spears is part of a conspiracy to overthrow the world, and crop circles are the result of evolved aliens.
But then I'd hope we can come back to reality, further our discussion

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ILoveGod
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Message 256 of 320 (427983)
10-13-2007 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by jar
10-13-2007 10:08 AM


Re: spurious is a poor choice of wording.
wow, Christianity is not a cult, it is not even a religion, is it reality I am so sorry that you have believed what the world has brainwashed you into believing, but it has definately not the truth. Next time someone tells you that humanity evolved from monkeys or that there is no supreme being, or that the "big bang" is true, just ask them. To tell you step by every step how each event occurred, and ask for the scientifically required hard evidence to prove each step. and when you find out that no one on earth can do that, ask them why they believe and tell people to believe such a ridiculous scientific "theory" without having all the facts. True science and God have no conflict, it is the ridiculous theories that have conflict with the Truth who is God, your Creator and your closest relative, who made you, your parents, and everyone else.
with much love,
Cliff Harris

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ILoveGod
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Message 257 of 320 (427984)
10-14-2007 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by jar
10-13-2007 10:08 AM


Re: spurious is a poor choice of wording.
wow, Christianity is not a cult, it is not even a religion, is it reality I am so sorry that you have believed what the world has brainwashed you into believing, but it has definately not the truth. Next time someone tells you that humanity evolved from monkeys or that there is no supreme being, or that the "big bang" is true, just ask them. To tell you step by every step how each event occurred, and ask for the scientifically required hard evidence to prove each step. and when you find out that no one on earth can do that, ask them why they believe and tell people to believe such a ridiculous scientific "theory" without having all the facts. True science and God have no conflict, it is the ridiculous theories that have conflict with the Truth who is God, your Creator and your closest relative, who made you, your parents, and everyone else.
with much love,
Cliff Harris

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ILoveGod
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Message 258 of 320 (427995)
10-14-2007 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 252 by iceage
10-13-2007 5:48 AM


Re: Proof is easy
Actually God keeping His Word pure and available to the world fullfills what Jesus said when He said,
Matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."
And also Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world"
Such a claim not only being made, but being made and actually happening!having happened!
And just think, the romans Cruficified Jesus, and 400 years later, the entire roman empire fell down worshipping at His feet, in the Holy Roman Empire!
And there are over 1000 prophesies in the Bible that have come true, exactly as God said they would. Including Jesus being crucified Psalm 22, Jesus bringing salvation to the world Isaiah 53, and Jesus being born of a virgiin Isaiah chapter 7 verse 10.
with much love,
Cliff Harris

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ILoveGod
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Message 259 of 320 (428000)
10-14-2007 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by sidelined
10-13-2007 11:32 PM


Re: spurious is a poor choice of wording.
The ones i was speaking of was the 10
not the on with more then 10
The 10 commandments were the ones that came with the old covenant to the Hebrews, which was if they keep those, then they will be God's people.
Christians have only 2 commandments and these 2 sum up of the 10 commandments.
with much love,
Cliff Harris

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ILoveGod
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Message 269 of 320 (429213)
10-18-2007 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by sidelined
10-13-2007 11:32 PM


Re: spurious is a poor choice of wording.
Exodus 20.
And your answer is ridiculous.
Here is your logic.
By your own statement you say it is ok for people to
1: Steal from you
2: have sex with your wife behind your back
3: murder your family
4: bare witness against you for things you never did no matter how much trouble you get in to.
5: sit around thinking of ways they can have what belongs to you
6: take control of your children, and have your kids respect those people instead.
Which of these would u say God is wrong for telliing people not to do?
with much love,
Cliff Harris

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Message 271 of 320 (429216)
10-18-2007 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by jar
10-14-2007 12:03 PM


Re: spurious is a poor choice of wording.
No. Religion is a man made of perception of what they want to have after they die.
Reality is that God made all of us and everything in existance.
Reality is God sent Jesus into the world to save us.
Reality is evolution is a fairy tale with so many ridiculous assumptions in it it doesn't even have a leg to stand on. The only reason anyone who has actually looked it closely and still believes in evolution is because it is the only thing that can let them believe there is no God, and therefore they can be their own God and keep doing evil because in their mind they will never have to be held accountable for their actions.

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ILoveGod
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Message 272 of 320 (429218)
10-18-2007 9:06 PM
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10-18-2007 8:59 PM


Re: spurious is a poor choice of wording.
No I lost my password for my other account, and all i could find in my juno email was this account information.
And the 10 commandments are the 10 commandments.
Christians however only have 2. Which cover all the rest.
And these are to love God with all of our heart mind and body, and second to that is to love eachother as we love ourselves.

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ILoveGod
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Message 276 of 320 (429223)
10-18-2007 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Chiroptera
10-18-2007 9:11 PM


Re: Hey, Cliff! I started a thread for you!
thank you but i was replying to a post on this thread.
And without your ridiculous idea of evolution, plz tell me how an athiest like u would explain how we got here without God?
the fact is I am 100% right in what i said
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ILoveGod
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Message 278 of 320 (429227)
10-18-2007 9:35 PM
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10-18-2007 9:29 PM


Re: Cliff and ILoveGod ID's have been merged
thanks but I'd much rather have ILoveGod as my primary.
And no one is really an idiot, they are just completely mislead into believing things like a little monkey is their ancestor, and once upon a time a bunch of absolutely nothing exploded, and became monkeys building scyscrapers and programming computers.
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Message 280 of 320 (429231)
10-18-2007 9:43 PM
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10-18-2007 9:40 PM


Re: Cliff and ILoveGod ID's have been merged
lol wow, this is completely over your head. I am sorry. What I said was that the only thing that anyone has scientifically against the Bible is the ridiculous theory - yes THEORY (an idea without enough evidence to make it a fact) of evolution. This is the grounds for athiests who say the Bible is not real. And without that ridiculous idea, they have no grounds for saying the Bible is not real. And real meaning made by God.
In Genesis God made Adam and Eve at a full grown mature age. Not children first, then adults, simply adults. When Jesus turned water into wine, He didn't turn the water into grapejuice first, and then wine, but Wine which is aged grapejuice. The point is that God also made the Earth at a mature age. This is why you can look at it all day long with a carbon dating and say it is millions of years old. Likewise you could so the same with Adam and say He was 20 or 30 years old. But God created both on the spot as a mature age.
ok there
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ILoveGod
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Message 285 of 320 (429238)
10-18-2007 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by jar
10-18-2007 9:49 PM


Re: Heading towards the topic.
sure. And nothing I said has been proven false.
The Bible is real. Why?
#1 Well One of the first reasons is that those without the Spirit of God can't understand it.
as it is written.
(1 Corinthians 2:9-14) However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"-- {10} but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. {11} For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. {12} We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. {13} This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. {14} The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
#2 Over 1,000 prophesies that have been fullfilled in perfect detail.
#3 The prophet is the pen, and the Writer is God. When you write a paper, is your pen writing it, or are you?
#4 All of the prophets Had to prove themselves to be true prophets to a most synicle of people. And had to do great mircales that no man could possibly do.
#5 The Bible carries on the same message throughout it's entirety with one personality, God's.
#6 No book in the entire world has been attacked, burned, and confiscated as much as the Bible, and yet it remains is the #1 best seller. And can be found in every province, in every country, in every nation.
#7 The old testament has remained virtually untouched since over 2,200 years ago when the Dead Sea Scrolls containing books from the old testament were found.
#8 The Bible has never been proven wrong.
#9 If you were to live your entire life the way the Bible says to, you'd be living a great life.
#10 Because it is

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Message 287 of 320 (429242)
10-18-2007 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by jar
10-18-2007 9:55 PM


Re: Making God out to be a liar and cheat
Which part would God lying about? creating the Earth is 6 days? And then the lineage begins? You don't seem to be comprehending One Who is omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent creating the world. It is like you are imagining Mr Wizard trying to do it.

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