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Hyroglyphx
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Message 15 of 71 (423687)
09-23-2007 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Fosdick
09-22-2007 9:14 PM


Peddlers and profiteers
And more to the heart of the matter: Has the medical/pharmaceutical complex (not to be confused with the military/industrial complex) truly served the cause of relieving human suffering? Or has it served the treasuries of capitalism, thus becoming a commodity rather of a service?
I think its a double-edged sword. Sure, there is no denying that the pharmaceutical industry needs sick people to stay in business. But hey, the tobacco companies need smokers too, but you don't see them making cigarettes any more healthy, now do we?
It is disturbing to see pharmaceutical companies as merchants of death. At the same time though, these companies are in competition with one another. Its in their best interest to try valiantly to stop a disease.
Its the same principle with healthcare. In a socialist healthcare setting, there is no incentive to come out with the latest and greatest drugs/treatments, especially since funding is limited. But if you privatize medicine, then it forces the industry to grow out of necessity. Its therefore in their best interest to ensure they have a loyal base buying their products which has helped them.
So, yes, there is a dichotomy there. Its a little disturbing that we peddle and profit off of death. But at the same time, that competition is the very thing that yields the most fruit. Everybody ends up winning in the long run as a result of that.

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 17 of 71 (423703)
09-23-2007 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by iano
09-23-2007 8:13 PM


Re: Peddlers and profiteers
Are you saying that avoidance of pain is always a good thing (pharmaceutically speaking). I mean, given that pain is issued forth so frequently for our benefit.
No, that wasn't what I was referring to, though I would agree that masking pain is often just removing the symptoms as opposed to actually dealing with what ever ails you.
Where have you been hiding, stranger?
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : No reason given.

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 33 of 71 (423836)
09-24-2007 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Fosdick
09-23-2007 9:02 PM


Re: Peddlers and profiteers
But is there no other road back to The Garden than the one paved with drugs? I suppose it's possible that Huxley's Doors of Perception are now open like cans of worms. Is there any hope of herding back into the can? Will all real men someday take Viagra to pork their honies up the wall?
I'm unclear on what you are asking/questioning. Is this an argument for holistic medicine vs pharmecuetical drugs, or an argument against the best mode of health care?

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 71 of 71 (428075)
10-14-2007 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Fosdick
09-24-2007 8:56 PM


Re: Homo pharmaceuticus americus
It's an argument against the common notion in America that drugs are the best way to attain good health and success. Yes, sometimes pills and shots are necessary. But if pills are deemed too necessary to make you slimmer, bigger, smaller, tighter, faster, sexier, more beautiful, or more healthy, then I have to ask if that is good thing for our society. I don't believe it is. I think our society is teaching our children that drugs will get them where they want to go.
Yes, I agree. People are used to their magic pills that make them better, when often taking that pill effects some major organ, which you need another pill to take to mitigate the effects of the first pill. Then you need take another pill to counter the effects of the second pill. It can be a vicious cycle.
Secondly, people in America take a pill when they have a headache. But one has to consider what a headache is, or really in general, what pain actually is indicative of. Pain, whether emotional or physical, is your bodies alarm system. Taking certain pills don't fix the problem, they often mask the alarm.
Going back to something like headaches, 9 out of 10 times you are just dehydrated. I don't take asprin for headaches. I drink copious amounts of water. Why silence the alarm, when you can actually fix the problem?
There's a "Drug War" here against recreational street drugs. And they will take your home away and sell if for cash if you happen to grow pot in it. But if you're a member of the medical-pharmaceutical complex you can make and use recreational drugs 'til the cows come home”hallucinogens, euphoriants, steroids, anti-depressants, Viagra, you name it”and nobody will bother you. Sure, and just as those drugs circulate expensively through our local pharmacies, homes, bathrooms, and bedrooms, they go right down the street to our schools.
The FDA, FBI, DEA, etc, etc, is starting to get serious about prescription drugs now. In California, if you are in possession of a prescription drug not prescribed to you, you could face a serious charge. And really, that's a good thing. Because we scoff at people that drink and drive, but somehow glibly overlook the fact that the effects of certain drugs are just as dangerous as being inebriated by alcohol.
Yes! Call it "holoistic medicine" if you like. But vitamin supplements, a staple of holistic medicine, are part of the pill problem too. Most of those "supplements" do absolutely nothing for you...just sh!t through a goose. But that's all part of consumer-driven capitalism, isn't it? Beware of "holistic medicine" too. Better to quit eating organic pizza and take up yoga. I guarantee your love bunny will get excited over that.
Everyone is trying to sell something. But like I said in a previous post, (btw, sorry it took me so long to respond), its that competition that creates better solutions. No one can deny that pharmacology has its benefits. Its not all bad. But sometimes drugs are only seen in terms of their immediate usage. I remember when Ritalin came out, and everyone was so happy that their kids were starting to focus at school. What they neglected to think about was that these same kids were figuring ways of essentially turning that drug in to speed. It started being sold in the schools.
As well, our hindsight and foresight is often poor. A lot of these drugs are pushed before we can see any long term effects. For instance, we are seeing a marked increase of both autism and alzheimers. Surely, there is something we are ingesting, be it some food additive or medication, that is doing something to us on the genetic level. What are we coming in to contact with that is increasing the prevalence of these two syndromes?
It was the same with asbestos. Sure, it was a great insulator. But we found out at a great cost that its down right dangerous to our lungs. It was the same with talcum powder. Sure, it dried up those diaper rashes fantastically. Problem is, it gets in the lungs and is hard to expel, causing all sorts of maladies.
The air is free in most places. I don't yet see a thriving yoga industry in America to rival that of drugs.
My uncle is real big in to Yoga. He also eats right. But I think people are slowly coming to the realization that eating right, along with regular exercise, along with a happy heart and mind is the best cure for what ails us.
Yet yoga actually can relief stress and a host of other health problems. Odd, isn't it, that yoga is not taught routinely in K-12 public schools? (Maybe this Buddha stuff is threatening to a "Christian society," or maybe it is threatening to the drug industry.)
Since one doesn't have to do with the other, I don't see that as a viable contingent. You can't knock western medicine exclusively, seeing that in the east, they utilize western medicine more than they do eastern. I think both have pro's and con's.

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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