Language and the Tower of Babel

Because it is a spiritual place, and the bible deals quite well in most things spiritual, where science is restricted to just the present natural. The reason many do not know, is that they are PO box bound.

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So God actually built the molten iron core of earth to house unworthy spirits? It is hot, I'll give you that. But what about when earth gets engulfed by the sun when it goes red giant in a couple billion years? Is God going to have to move hell then or is the red giant sun going to become the new hell?

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I don't believe it is that hot. You need a big bang, and millions of years, and decay, and all sorts of imaginary things to cook up a hot core. But that is another topic.

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If we could split earth in half and cool it off, would we see tortured, immortal bodies lodged in there? Or if it's just noncorporeal spirits without pain neurons, how is it that they would "feel" the heat anyway? What happens to an unsaved astronaut who goes to mars and dies there? Does he go to the center-of-mars hell or the center-of-earth hell?

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You seem to be thinking of the lake of fire in the future. I don't believe hell is anything like that, probably more like a hospital. But, again, that is off topic.

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How do you know it is a spiritual place? For that matter what is it about the bible that makes you think it is dealing with "spiritual" matters at all?

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It is where the spirits of just men made perfect are, according to the bible, as well as God, and the angels. The bible says God is a spirit. That I take as a clue. The angels are spirits, that also I take as a clue. We have spirits, and go there when we die, another clue. Need more?????? [quote] You do not strike me as showing any greater capability in the area of discernment and ,in fact, you do strike me as rather confused. You make claims which you can offer no evidence for, you make claims for phenomena you cannot demonstrate, and yet you exude a confidence in your assessments that are far beyond reasonable given your arguments. That might sound good to you, except that the bible says there really are spirits, a flying throne, and a Christmas star. You have presented no science or bible against these things. Now, before you lecture on reason, remember you got nothin!God does exist until there is proof he does not.

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important enough for god to mess them up.

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As part of a bigger plan. Much bigger.

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i'm sorry, where was jesus mentioned in this text? i see nothing that says anything like that in genesis 11. and in any case, lots of people got to heaven on their own accord before jesus. why, i can think of two of the top of my head: enoch and elijah. or, don't you read the bible?

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"a. The personal character of the language (the Lord came down to see the city and the tower) indicates this may very well have been a case where God came down in the form of a man, in the Person of Jesus Christ.b. Let Us go down is another subtle reference to the Trinity."
David Guzik's Commentary - StudyLight.orgCapice??

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check the math on that again. we don't know when the "120 years" proclaimation was, but it took noah 100 of those to build the ark. the best reading is that it was 120 years until the flood.

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the rest is just stuff you're making up. again.

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Glad you said that, now, prove it!!! Show us it took 1000 years to build the ark!!! Busted.

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...that was actually a given. "peleg" means "division." he was named for the division at babel. the 120 years stuff is just not in reference to this event.

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I say it is. Deal with it. The spiritual separated from the physical is division, as well as continents seperating, languages, etc.Support your 100 year claim here, as I call you out on it.

Here is a hint for you, NO, you can't begin to do ANYTHING of the sort. I call you out here. Stop making claims you cannot support. Really.

In chapter 6, we have the warning. Later, it talks about Noah, and that he had three sons etc.From chap 5. we see the ages of these sons. Now, can you prove that it was after the warning that Shem was born???? What really says that? The fact that it is later in the chapter alone may not do it? This is all it says in 68 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.It is not necessary to infer that all 3 sons were born after the warning, and in the same year, is it??Edited by simple, : No reason given.

I did that. I guess we then have to read the previous chapter, 5, where Noah already had his sons as well. Then we read about the warning in chap 6! Then, later in 6, as well as other chapters, it recaps the bit about Noah.Interesting.Therefore, I see no reason why this warning was in the 5 hundreth year of the life of Noah after all. He was already 500 and had sons before the warning chapter starts.Therefore, the exact time of the warning can't be known from this chapter. I think we could work backwards from Peleg, when the earth was divided, and get pretty close. Why not!??
Peleg was say, 101 years after the flood. That means that the warning had to be about 24 years before the flood. That means that Shem was something like about 76 years old already.The chronology is for the birth order, therefore, not the warning time, obviously.Unless you have some other evidence to bring to bear on the issue, we will have to have different opinions here.

OK, I'll try. they seem to not want to allow me to do that, for some reason. The last one I proposed, they wanted to stick somewhere that no one could post on it.We'll see how this attempt goes. If it goes through, look for a thread called
"Why the interior of the earth is cool?"

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it recaps it in the context of the story. genesis 5 is not in the story. but gives the age. the age of shem at the flood, and common sense confirm this.

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Chap 5 doesn't even mention the flood!
32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.That is all it says on Noah. Gotcha.

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because the warning very obviously states that god means to destroy mankind. not make random changes in the laws of nature. destroy mankind. you realy have to pay attention to WHAT things say. since god subsequently destroys mankind and only a few verses later, it stands to reason that that's what he was talking about.

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NOT the warning I mean! There are two. One about the flood, obviously, the other is the 120 year thing.Nothing bout the flood at all in that. Try and pay some attention to what things say, will you??

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yes, and chapter six which is about the flood puts that proclamation before noach has sons. chapter five is simply a genealogy and does not tell the events of noach's life. chapter six does.

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Since Noah and sons were already in chapter 5, no.

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...no, those are the same thing. it's 120 years until the flood. the 120 year statement refers to god destroying mankind. god destroys mankind (except noach) with the flood -- it's about the flood. get it?

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False, that is pure opinion. The 120 years can't be tagged to the flood. The other warning covered that. You only assume, as I used to, that the 120 years also referred to the flood.

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you are trying to connect this to something else that you've simply made up and are butchering a fairly obvious reference to mean something it cannot. WHAT it says is IMPORTANT. you cannot ignore the statement itself.

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False, no more than I made up the new heavens, get a grip.

Didn't you just read the reminder of what the topic was??

No. But it seems others think that.