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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Then be disappointed.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
well seeing as john is actually contemporary to the other gospels, it demonstrates at worst a personal interpretation but most likely a flawed "memory," but certainly doesn't represent some massive conspiracy to make up new books to fit a couple hundred years' religious shift.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
TC writes:
Well, in that case I have proven to you in Message 75 that Jesus could not have been the son of God. The daughter of God, maybe, because, then, a Y chromosome would not have been necessary. So I think you are left with the problem of explaining how Jesus got his penis. And it's not a small problem either if you insist that Jesus was a real man in flesh and blood. Then be disappointed. ”HM
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As long as you are happy.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I never mentioned a "massive conspiracy", brenna. Look, just read Matthew, Mark, and Luke, then read John. The differences are marked, and I very much doubt that the ways in which it is different are "mistakes" and I similarly doubt that the differences are just a single person's interpretation. John, as others have mentioned, reflects a Gnostic influence.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
I never mentioned a "massive conspiracy", brenna. you suggested the story was deliberately changed (presumably by the "CHURCH") to reflect contemporary tradition. but, as it was written within the same time period as the others, this is not likely. it is more likely the work of a signle author or small group of people with differing spiritual education.
John, as others have mentioned, reflects a Gnostic influence.
yes. and that difference of tradition is likely to be the origin of differences, not the church making up a new gospel to fit it's "modernity".
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Still patiently waiting for an answer to message 55
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It was, but since I never mentioned THE CHURCH, I don't know why you thought I was referring to it.
quote: What's the difference if THE CHURCH changed it or a contemporary individual or group? The changes are the changes.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
but it clearly wasn't change to fit a new doctrine if it was done during the same time period.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
WK writes:
If he put his sample up for sale on eBay I wonder what he'd get for it. Should be worth a lot if he has good evidence of its source. Ron Wyatt supposedly found a sample of Jesus' blood. ”HM
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4032 Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
but it clearly wasn't change to fit a new doctrine if it was done during the same time period. Blatantly false if (as is the case) the time period in question had several different competing doctrines. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
her proposal was that as the church evolved over the course of 300 years, they just developed new books to fit their needs. if you can't see there difference between these two principles (this and that of competing contemporary doctrines) then i can't help you.
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itrownot Member (Idle past 5998 days) Posts: 71 Joined: |
I think it's nice that "Christians" readily call themselves by that name, but can this practice really be supported by the Bible? No kidding, I know that the book of Acts reports that Christians were first called such at Antioch, but there is no instruction for "born-agains" to therefore wear that particular label, at least none that I can recall of that reading or elsewhere in the Book--is there? This may seem to you an insignificant issue, but to me it is actually more "unscriptural" than not, since "born-agains" ARE instructed in 1st Corinthians (and, admittedly, I'm paraphrasing somewhat) not to be "of Paul", "of Apollos", "of Cephas", and, most strikingly, it seems, "of Christ." The name "Christian" and being "of Christ" are pretty saying much one and the same thing, IMHO. Or maybe my recollection of the passage in Acts is faulty. How about it?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
i think a more accurate representation of this is to not identify as a "baptist" or "presbyterian" or "catholic" but as a christian. which would of course require that those individual denominations accept that while they disagree on things, those other denominations have the same right to their title.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, that's not what I said.
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