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jar
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Message 76 of 300 (428733)
10-17-2007 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Fosdick
10-17-2007 12:45 PM


Re: Jesus's circumcision
Then be disappointed.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 77 of 300 (428734)
10-17-2007 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by nator
10-17-2007 12:42 PM


well seeing as john is actually contemporary to the other gospels, it demonstrates at worst a personal interpretation but most likely a flawed "memory," but certainly doesn't represent some massive conspiracy to make up new books to fit a couple hundred years' religious shift.

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Message 78 of 300 (428749)
10-17-2007 2:44 PM
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10-17-2007 12:47 PM


Re: Jesus's circumcision
TC writes:
Then be disappointed.
Well, in that case I have proven to you in Message 75 that Jesus could not have been the son of God. The daughter of God, maybe, because, then, a Y chromosome would not have been necessary. So I think you are left with the problem of explaining how Jesus got his penis. And it's not a small problem either if you insist that Jesus was a real man in flesh and blood.
”HM

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jar
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Message 79 of 300 (428751)
10-17-2007 2:48 PM
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10-17-2007 2:44 PM


Re: Jesus's circumcision
As long as you are happy.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nator
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Message 80 of 300 (428767)
10-17-2007 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by macaroniandcheese
10-17-2007 12:49 PM


quote:
well seeing as john is actually contemporary to the other gospels, it demonstrates at worst a personal interpretation but most likely a flawed "memory," but certainly doesn't represent some massive conspiracy to make up new books to fit a couple hundred years' religious shift.
I never mentioned a "massive conspiracy", brenna.
Look, just read Matthew, Mark, and Luke, then read John.
The differences are marked, and I very much doubt that the ways in which it is different are "mistakes" and I similarly doubt that the differences are just a single person's interpretation.
John, as others have mentioned, reflects a Gnostic influence.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 81 of 300 (428775)
10-17-2007 4:00 PM
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10-17-2007 3:47 PM


I never mentioned a "massive conspiracy", brenna.
you suggested the story was deliberately changed (presumably by the "CHURCH") to reflect contemporary tradition. but, as it was written within the same time period as the others, this is not likely. it is more likely the work of a signle author or small group of people with differing spiritual education.
John, as others have mentioned, reflects a Gnostic influence.
yes. and that difference of tradition is likely to be the origin of differences, not the church making up a new gospel to fit it's "modernity".

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Taz
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Message 82 of 300 (428779)
10-17-2007 4:10 PM


Still patiently waiting for an answer to message 55

Disclaimer:
Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.
He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

nator
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Message 83 of 300 (428792)
10-17-2007 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by macaroniandcheese
10-17-2007 4:00 PM


quote:
you suggested the story was deliberately changed (presumably by the "CHURCH") to reflect contemporary tradition.
It was, but since I never mentioned THE CHURCH, I don't know why you thought I was referring to it.
quote:
but, as it was written within the same time period as the others, this is not likely. it is more likely the work of a signle author or small group of people with differing spiritual education.
What's the difference if THE CHURCH changed it or a contemporary individual or group?
The changes are the changes.

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Message 84 of 300 (428793)
10-17-2007 4:35 PM
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10-17-2007 4:31 PM


but it clearly wasn't change to fit a new doctrine if it was done during the same time period.

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Fosdick 
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Message 85 of 300 (428795)
10-17-2007 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by ringo
10-17-2007 12:05 PM


Re: Jesus's circumcision
WK writes:
Ron Wyatt supposedly found a sample of Jesus' blood.
If he put his sample up for sale on eBay I wonder what he'd get for it. Should be worth a lot if he has good evidence of its source.
”HM

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Rahvin
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Message 86 of 300 (428814)
10-17-2007 5:37 PM
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10-17-2007 4:35 PM


but it clearly wasn't change to fit a new doctrine if it was done during the same time period.
Blatantly false if (as is the case) the time period in question had several different competing doctrines.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Message 87 of 300 (428817)
10-17-2007 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Rahvin
10-17-2007 5:37 PM


her proposal was that as the church evolved over the course of 300 years, they just developed new books to fit their needs. if you can't see there difference between these two principles (this and that of competing contemporary doctrines) then i can't help you.

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itrownot
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Message 88 of 300 (428821)
10-17-2007 6:06 PM
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10-14-2007 2:45 AM


I think it's nice that "Christians" readily call themselves by that name, but can this practice really be supported by the Bible? No kidding, I know that the book of Acts reports that Christians were first called such at Antioch, but there is no instruction for "born-agains" to therefore wear that particular label, at least none that I can recall of that reading or elsewhere in the Book--is there? This may seem to you an insignificant issue, but to me it is actually more "unscriptural" than not, since "born-agains" ARE instructed in 1st Corinthians (and, admittedly, I'm paraphrasing somewhat) not to be "of Paul", "of Apollos", "of Cephas", and, most strikingly, it seems, "of Christ." The name "Christian" and being "of Christ" are pretty saying much one and the same thing, IMHO. Or maybe my recollection of the passage in Acts is faulty. How about it?

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 89 of 300 (428825)
10-17-2007 6:13 PM
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10-17-2007 6:06 PM


i think a more accurate representation of this is to not identify as a "baptist" or "presbyterian" or "catholic" but as a christian. which would of course require that those individual denominations accept that while they disagree on things, those other denominations have the same right to their title.

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nator
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Message 90 of 300 (428827)
10-17-2007 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by macaroniandcheese
10-17-2007 5:44 PM


quote:
her proposal was that as the church evolved over the course of 300 years, they just developed new books to fit their needs.
No, that's not what I said.

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