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Author Topic:   Genetic evidence of Whale evolution
wj
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Message 9 of 27 (3410)
02-04-2002 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by John Paul
02-04-2002 3:36 PM


It's not a pretty sight to see John Paul on the run. It might be worth reminding him of why he is in this difficult position. From "Falsifying Creation " thread, message #9,
"As for whales- the transitionals only appear as such in the minds of evolutionists. Without genetic analysis to substantiate those claims any interpretation of the fossil record is directly related to one's worldview."
Unfortunately for JP, lbhandli has provided details of a paper which gives JP what he asked for, genetic analysis substantiating the claim for the evolution of whales and hippopotamus from a common ancestor - genetic and fossil evidence agree.
Now JP resorts to diversions: "practical bearings on today's marine life", "offers nothing for the betterment of mankind", "How does this phylogenic analysis of the alleged evolution of cetaceans aid us in the research for a cure for cancer or any disease for that matter?" All of the science has now gone out the window.
Not a pretty sight at all, when the curtains are drawn on one's worldview.

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wj
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Message 19 of 27 (3624)
02-07-2002 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by mark24
02-06-2002 4:25 AM


While we're waiting for JP to marshall his forces and make a devastating counterattack, can someone explain why the sequence of fossils which leads from Sinonyx, through Ambulocetus to modern whales is explicable by intelligent design? Does this infer that intelligent design means trial and error over almost 60 million years? Where is the "intelligence" and "design" evident in such a process?
And what is the difference between common creator and intelligent design? Is there a host of intelligent designers out there or a single creator which doesn't display intelligence in its design of its creations?

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wj
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Message 20 of 27 (4293)
02-12-2002 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by wj
02-07-2002 1:32 AM


Is this how you bring the topic back to the front page whilst waiting for JP's response? I wouldn't want to miss it and I'm not sure if I could find the thread again.
Will JP's response also address the apparent sequence of trial and error efforts by the intelligent designer to modify the design to create a fully functioning whale?

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wj
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Message 21 of 27 (5264)
02-21-2002 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by wj
02-12-2002 7:02 PM


It appears that JP has returned to this site. I will take the opportunity of reminding him of a number of unanswered questions in this threrad.

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