The Bitter Simple Question

This is not to convince people there is a God
Neither does it confuse them with a circular argument.
This does not argue with biblical ideas, but with a simple question of a very simple SCIENTIFIC PROBLEM with "No Creator Creation"
The simple question is...If No God exists then how did the raw existence of matter and anti-matter come about?NATURAL LAW OF MATTER:
Matter exists physically and exists as energy
Matter is what EVERYTHING is made out of...
Matter cannot be created nor destroyed...
The amount of matter in the Universe has been the same ever since the matter came about.This means matter must already be SOMEWHERE for SOMETHING to happen
This means even before ANY CREATION THEORY(Big bang, Evolution)...there must have been matter in order for something else to be created or happenThe universe therefore cannot be infinitely old because that would mean that matter has been here forever
But where did that matter come from, since it cannot be created.
Did it just appear out of nothing!?!?
Others say everything that is now, is from the big bang
But then what caused the big bang?
The Big bang could not happen without something there(hydrogen or something), and if that something is there, matter is there
But again this leads me to HOW WAS THIS MATTER MADE!
How, since you cannot make SOMETHING from NOTHING, is this possibleThis leads to two conclusions, one being logical:1)Here we have matter, we know matter and its properties, we know it's laws
Yet we say...
The first "Anything(atom,quark,matter)" came out of nothing, therefore, matter can not only be made, but also can be made out of nothing.2)He we have a God a "Matter Creator", we don't know Gods properties, we don't know his laws
And we say...
There is a Being or Something who is outside all boundaries of LAWS and NATURE and TIME, and created all we know and do not know.Tell me how is this argument wrong?Edited by TyberiusMax, : spelling

Hello, TyberiusMax and welcome to EvC. You bring up some interesting questions, some of which have been discussed individually in different threads here. Your topic is so broad that I am reluctant to start it just yet, though. It is often better to start a topic out with a simple question and then expand upon that premise as people interact with you within the topic.Lets take your original question: If No God exists then how did the raw existence of matter come about?We could approach it scientifically in a thread such as Big Bang/Cosmology.We could approach it as a Faith/Belief topic...and I suspect that you believe in God as the uncaused first cause....We really can't mix faith/belief and science, however.Some people have framed your question thus:
Which came first? God or Matter?As you can see, how such a question is approached depends on the rules that you seek to use.I'll leave this topic open for now. I want you to participate in at least ten-15 posts on other threads and also edit and shorten your opening post. You will find a wide variety of views at EvC and I hope that you enjoy your stay! Open to other administrator critiques.

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This post is already in two other threads. Unless it is approrpiate to neither, I see no point in promoting this topic.