The Big Bang, Abiogenesis, and Evolution

Well, I admit I haven't been following the conversation here in this thread all that closely. However, CTD has been making similar claims of moving goalposts, obfuscation, and equivocation in the racism thread, so I assumed that just making these knee-jerk accusation is part if his schtick. In fact, if his behavior in this thread is similar, I doubt that he's even been reading Scientist's posts -- if he's right about scientist, then it's the case of a broken clock being right twice a day.

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

Why would an "unbeliever" pray to a god in which they don't believe? I think you might be confused here. Since this is off-topic, why don't you suggest another thread to discuss what "unbelievers" think and believe?

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

Maybe they were just trying to get rid of you so that they could die in peace?

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

Hi, TyberiusMax, and welcome to EvC.As jar/TrueChristian points out, it is kind of rude to post the exact same message in different threads at the same time. If nothing else, it makes you seem a bit obsessive -- obsessive in the mental illness sense.-- Well, to be more precise, the amount of matter/energy is the same at all points in time. "Before" the universe there was no time -- in fact, I put "before" in quotes because there was no "before" the universe. There was no space, no time -- since our physical laws take space and time for granted, we really cannot describe in any meaningful way (or even conceptualize) "before the universe existed".The way I look at it, the universe and space and time and matter and energy simply exist.- As far as we know. But if the history of sience is any guide, then we can expect some surprises as we learn more about the universe, and this might be one of them.

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

Let me tell you what a "law" is: a "law of physics" is just a description of what people have observed so far. So far, no one has observed the total amount of energy in a closed system changing. But no one has been able to observe every single place in the universe, at every single time, in every conceivable situation. So when scientists speak of "the law of conservation of energy", what they are talking about is the fact that energy has always been conserved in the situations where it was checked.- What does this even mean? By "nothing", we are even talking about a situation where time and space and even existence itself has no meaning. The words and concepts that we use are useless in describing this situation. Phrases like "creation of the universe" or even "the beginning of the universe" don't even have any real meaning.That is why I say that the universe, and everything contained in it, simply exist. This avoids the problems of trying to use language and concepts that are based on experiences in space and time and the present universe to speak of something that we have no way of even describing.

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)