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Spektical
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Message 1 of 9 (430302)
10-24-2007 11:47 AM


I want to discuss the astrological ages ie. Aries, Pisces and the coming age of aquarius in relation to the collective unconscious.

Are prophecies, astrological ages and the collective unconscious evolutionary mechanisms?


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Message 2 of 9 (430348)
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10-24-2007 11:47 AM


Promoted..... tentatively
The brevity of your post concerns me, along with it not having any clear reasons for why you are asking the question, however, since the theme is in place, and it is both clear and concise, I am going to tentatively promote this topic.

With that being said, I am going to expect you to expand on some of your meanings and to provide some basis for the question at hand.

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    Message 4 of 9 (430358)
    10-24-2007 7:53 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Spektical
    10-24-2007 11:47 AM


    Spektical

    Are prophecies, astrological ages and the collective unconscious evolutionary mechanisms?.

    What makes you think prophecies, astrological ages and collective unconscious have any basis in reality? In fact, perhaps you could expand on this topic by explaining what the terms mean and what evidence there is for each of those terms.


    God does not exist until there is proof he does.

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    Spektical
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    Message 5 of 9 (430419)
    10-25-2007 8:36 AM
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    I don't think they have any basis in reality except that they seem to have influenced our way of thinking since the beginning of civilization. The symbology of the astrological ages and the calendars based on them tells me that they had a some kind of impact on humanity. I understand that scientific knowledge was still a squint in humanity's eyes back then, but they were still a drive that made humans do many crazy things and continue to do so.

    So this is why I am asking if this is part of the evolutionary process.

    I guess I'll be more specific and mention the piscean age, the coming of the so called age of aquarius and the Christian apocalypse.


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    Message 6 of 9 (430431)
    10-25-2007 9:56 AM
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    10-25-2007 8:36 AM


    People feel less anxious when they believe they have control over their future and will create all kinds of methods of predicting the future.

    As far as evolution is concerned the specie that can accuratley predict its future and anticipate catastrophe will survive. This is just what human brains are capable of: prediction of the future to ensure survival.

    However that ability to predict requires accurate information and is only accurate in a population sense i.e. more accurate than inaccurate.

    With the advent of culture, communial living and the social variable that our brains have to cope with this ability to predict the future is massively curtailed.

    Imagine living in a small tribe an having to imagine what is good for you and the tribe: it is difficult.

    Imagine doing the same living in a society where you have to interact (and factor into your predictions) with thousands: much harder.

    This inability to assess and appropriately react causes us to be anxious. This is a state that we are averse to and will attempt to avoid this psychological state.

    People are great at this avoidance; we concoct all sort superstious mechanisms to foster the illusion of control. You can think of this as 'magical thinking' and you can see in in when people 'knock on wood' or stay in on Friday 12th, looking to prophesy for guidance, etc.

    It's all to foster the illusion of control in our lives because for some, the inherent randomness or life provkes too much anxiety.

    We all do it every time we cross our fingers, wish each other good luck, pray, or avoid tempting fate. It has absolutely no effect on reality but it makes us feel less anxious.


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    Message 7 of 9 (430435)
    10-25-2007 10:24 AM
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    10-25-2007 9:56 AM


    Wow well put Larni...I completely agree with that.

    So are the astrological ages man made or are they patterns that are outside our control and instead a result of the position of the sun?

    This is kind of a silly question lol.


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    Message 8 of 9 (430586)
    10-26-2007 4:04 AM
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    10-25-2007 10:24 AM


    Well if you concider that if humans had slightly better night vision and saw a slightly denser star field we would have joined up the dots in different ways and anthropomorphised these images in different ways; creating different constellations.

    Also, apart from magic, the only way that distant stella objects can influence us is through gravity and I think it was Patrick Moore who said that these constellations had less grativational influence on us than a double decker bus passing by a few streets away.

    Basically anything to do with astrology is bunk. If it did work it would not be confined to half page sections of news papers and primium rate phone lines.

    Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


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    Spektical
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    Message 9 of 9 (430599)
    10-26-2007 9:14 AM
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    10-26-2007 4:04 AM


    LMAO! True true :)
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