Every evolutionist has a chance to win $250,000

"The problem is that $250k is not enough to pay the court fees it would take to get Mr. Hovind to pay up *after* you prove evolution is a fact."
--The point being simply, Evolution by common descent is not fact, it can only be theory, it 'can only be' theory.
--I also have always wondered, why if there is such valuable evidence for common descent and even increases in information, why has none ever attempted to present it to him in one of his debates? And don't say something out of ignorance such as 'it would be to complicated for his pewny mind'.------------------

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
The point being simply, Evolution by common descent is not fact, it can only be theory, it 'can only be' theory.

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In the same way as gravity can only be a theory....

"In the same way as gravity can only be a theory...."
--Not exactly, because Evolution by common descent, has not been observed, gravity can be observed to its fullest at any time, without waiting thousands of years to see changes. Evolution does have evidence, but most of its most valuable evidence are indirect evidences.-------------------

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
Not exactly, because Evolution by common descent, has not been observed, gravity can be observed to its fullest at any time, without waiting thousands of years to see changes. Evolution does have evidence, but most of its most valuable evidence are indirect evidences.

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But it is still not a fact (and never can be) under the definition you creationists use.....

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"The problem is that $250k is not enough to pay the court fees it would take to get Mr. Hovind to pay up *after* you prove evolution is a fact."
--The point being simply, Evolution by common descent is not fact, it can only be theory, it 'can only be' theory.
--I also have always wondered, why if there is such valuable evidence for common descent and even increases in information, why has none ever attempted to present it to him in one of his debates? And don't say something out of ignorance such as 'it would be to complicated for his pewny mind'.

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Actually,i know of at least 3 people who answered his 30 questions about evolution theory in an effort to get him to pay up...all of them were never given any reply by him...trust me,he made this offer with the firm intention of never paying a single penny of this 250000$ which he probably doesn't have anyway.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"In the same way as gravity can only be a theory...."
--Not exactly, because Evolution by common descent, has not been observed, gravity can be observed to its fullest at any time, without waiting thousands of years to see changes. Evolution does have evidence, but most of its most valuable evidence are indirect evidences.

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Actually,the RESULTS of gravity can be observed but not gravity itself. same thing with evolution...the result can be observed but not the evolution itself,since ot occurs over such a long period of time.

[QUOTE][b]trust me,he made this offer with the firm intention of never paying a single penny of this 250000$ which he probably doesn't have anyway.[/QUOTE][/b]Which is why I'd like to see somebody finally take him to court.

By the way, I think we've beaten Hovind into the ground by now. But here it is anyway if anyone here hasn't seen them. Hovind's arguments rebutted on the 'net. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/matson-vs-hovind.html

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Originally posted by LudvanB:
Actually,the RESULTS of gravity can be observed but not gravity itself. same thing with evolution...the result can be observed but not the evolution itself,since ot occurs over such a long period of time.

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Good point. The cause of gravity is theoretical.Mark------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

If it is such a waste of time to debate with Dr. Hovind, why do you want to debate with him? Why do so many other people debate with him? You say one thing and contradict your self in your defending statements.

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Originally posted by Christian1:
If it is such a waste of time to debate with Dr. Hovind, why do you want to debate with him? Why do so many other people debate with him? You say one thing and contradict your self in your defending statements.

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Well I'm not a professional working in evolution science...nor am i a scientists...nor is he. I would debate him for the same reason i debate other creationists here...for pure enjoyement.

Just noticed this....

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Originally posted by schrafinator Quoting Dr (snigger) Dino:

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"Could it be that people accept evolution because [....] They know that evolution is the only philosophy that can be used to justify their
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i. Communism
ii. Racism
iii. Abortion
iv. Nazism
v. Socialism
vi. Gay rights
vii. Women's liberation
viii. Extreme environmentalism
ix. Euthanasia
x. Pornography
xi. Humanism
xii. New Age Movement"

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What has he got against womens lib?And I guess he feels that the golden rule is the work of the devil.....Damm jumped up, male chauvanist, self cenered idiot........

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What has he got against womens lib?

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And I guess he feels that the golden rule is the work of the devil.....

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Damm jumped up, male chauvanist, self cenered idiot........

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What does any conservative Christian have against equality for women? Christian male privilage and perceived superiority is not going to be given up lightly.How dare women refuse to accept that they aren't inferior to men!

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Originally posted by Christian1:
If it is such a waste of time to debate with Dr. Hovind, why do you want to debate with him? Why do so many other people debate with him? You say one thing and contradict your self in your defending statements.

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First, Hovind is not a "Dr." He is a fake who got his degree from a degree mill (input the three search terms: hovind AND creationism AND creadentials, and you can track the info for yourself). As to debating him, it is done to demonstrate the man for the liar that he is.In this case Silence does equal death, at least the death of reason.------------------
"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz

extreme environmentalismEvolution is the philosophical substrate for someone wanting a Venusian environment? Or is that Plutonic?I notice a significant "ism" missing from Hovind's list, capitalism. Does this mean that captialism is creational theologically sound? Won't the Social Darwinists be peeved?! So those Social Darwinists preaching survival of the fittest in the social jungle were really heading towards naziism, socialism and communism! And greed is good capitalism is advocated in the bible?I must admit that Hovind certainly brings a unique perspective to everything he touches.