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Hyroglyphx
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Message 57 of 76 (431114)
10-29-2007 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by pelican
10-24-2007 11:00 PM


Re: The other side of Jesus
quote:
That ye resist not EVIL: but WHOSOEVER shall smite thee on thy right cheek
The question you should be asking is 'what do we do about the evil and the aggressor?' The way you see it doesn't address the problem at source.
Hoping the aggressor will become passive is naieve. The aggressor(whosoever)is already abusing power by using physical violence. What caused the violence? If we don't resist evil, what do we do?
Theologically, this is where my wife and I disagree considerably. She is of the opinion that Jesus advocated total pacifism, whereas I believe Jesus taught pacifism when possible, insomuch that we make patience, restraint and forgiveness a focal point.
As we all know, violence begets violence. As the Scriptures say, being kind to someone who is cruel to you is like "heaping burning coals on their head." I understand the passage to mean that by treating them the way they should treat you, their sensibilities and their conscience will ache over such an affront.
That in no way means that we are to be completely passive either, because, as you said, it will not stop the problem of evil. In fact, unless you check the ill behavior, it will continue unabated.
Total pacifism, in my estimation, is the same as allowing the unleashing of total bloodshed.
Its a strange dichotomy, but I think most people have a general idea about what is acceptable and what is not. Getting in to a fist fight over machismo is not the same thing as stopping someone from raping a little girl by any reasonable means.
As far as it relates to Jesus, I found a website concerning the pacifivity of Jesus that closely models my own beliefs concerning it.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 71 of 76 (431373)
10-30-2007 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by pelican
10-29-2007 9:20 PM


Re: The other side of Jesus
It's thinking outside the box, like a child who isn't box-trained yet. Do you mean like a child pees it's pants whilst being potty trained?
I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 74 of 76 (431400)
10-30-2007 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by pelican
10-30-2007 9:00 PM


Re: The other side of Jesus
Ringo said: "It's thinking outside the box, like a child who isn't box-trained yet."
This is metaphorically speaking.
I said: "Do you mean like a child pees it's pants whilst being potty trained?"
This is a literal translation of the same statement.
Ah, so its a bit of a sarcastic jab at Ringo which I didn't understand because I neglected to read Ringo's post?
Am I interpreting this correctly?

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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