Wholley Jesus!

Yeah, kinda like that. After all, most other animals are never potty trained and they get along all right.Interesting that that's the strongest objection you could come up with.

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Well, it's your topic. It's your responsibility to get your point across. If you think doing that's a "waste", you're probably in the wrong place.

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ringo [Well, it's your topic. It's your responsibility to get your point across. If you think doing that's a "waste", you're probably in the wrong place.]My point is I will never get a point across to you personally whether I use many words or one. You didn't even look at the one word that was merely a suggestion. Edited by dameeva, : No reason given.

It's interesting that you read my physical analogy of your metaphorical statement as an objection. It wasn't meant to be an objection at all but perhaps it is as I disagree with you.
A child and thinking outside of the box do not equate with each other.
I was meaning that a child doesn't haven't a thinking capacity as you suggested with the statement (It's thinking outside the box, like a child who isn't box-trained yet.) Maybe a child doesn't have a box to be in or out of?

Your task here isn't to get a point across to me. It's to get your point across to anybody. Else, why would you post at all?Instead of taking everything I say so negatively, why not look at it as helping you to express yourself more clearly?If you have a point, please make it.

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"Equate" might not be the right term (and I didn't use it). But thinking outside the box is certainly what children do. It's what one one has to do before one becomes familiar with the box. "Thinking capacity" includes thinking inside the box and (as I said to dameeva earlier) the capacity to link outside-the-box thinking to the box. That linking capacity is what children tend to lack.It's also what seems to be lacking in this thread.

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Thanks, I checked out the website pacifity of jesus and found it very interesting. It seems he contradicts his own rules.
But what if they are not his rules or guidelines? What if we are reading them wrong?
What if they are his assessment of the situation at hand? What if he was reacting to different situations differently as was appropriate in the moment?
This is what I am beginning to believe is the truth and really gives us the responsibility of making our own decisions without using jesus as a crutch.

Surely children haven't the capacity to think logically or reasonably until they are already in the box?

dameeva writes:
My point is I will never get a point across to you personally whether I use many words or one.ringo replies:
If you have a point, please make it.

There's a world of difference between logical/reasonable thinking and in-the-box thinking.Since dameeva seems to have given up any pretense of discussing the topic, do you have anything to say about Wholley #$%^ing Jesus?

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I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

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Ringo said: "It's thinking outside the box, like a child who isn't box-trained yet."
This is metaphorically speaking.I said: "Do you mean like a child pees it's pants whilst being potty trained?"
This is a literal translation of the same statement.To be honest, I thought the statement was pulled out of thin air without any thought or logic behind it, but that's only my opinion and I don't usually voice them. I try another angle which doesn't work either. ha ha Thanks so much.

"There's a world of difference between logical/reasonable thinking and in-the-box thinking."Do you think that in-the-box thinking is not logical? If so, then I think we have totally opposite definitions.
Personally I think it is just a narrow view point, not nessesarily a bad view point or wrong or irrational. Not at all. In-the-box is the normal and out the box is outside what is accepted by the majority.
It depends which side of the fence you are on, don't you think?

Ah, so its a bit of a sarcastic jab at Ringo which I didn't understand because I neglected to read Ringo's post?Am I interpreting this correctly?

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Yeh, I guess so.