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arachnophilia
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Message 113 of 304 (419917)
09-05-2007 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Dr Adequate
09-05-2007 12:48 PM


Re: A dino in the grass....
Mokele Mbembe is an accepted fact.
Accepted by you as a fact, but not by actual naturalists who have actually been to Africa, and who would be thrilled to make the discovery of the century.
oh, how i would love for mokele mbembe to be real. probably more than these lake monsters. mokele mbembe has been the one idea that REALLY intrigues me. a large sauropod species alive and well in the congo? how freaking cool would that be?
every few years, someone pops up and cites the lake tele sauropod. and i go madly hunting for evidence. sadly, i can not find nearly as much about mokele as i can about nessie. and nessie is more popular -- i can almost promise you that i've seen every nessie picture in existence. mokele... it harder. the congo isn't really a tourist destination. i'm not even sure any serious pictures claiming to be of mokele mbembe exist.


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arachnophilia
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Message 123 of 304 (420081)
09-06-2007 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by iceage
09-05-2007 2:00 PM


Re: A dino in the grass....
Do you really believe that an animal of this size could go unnoticed for this long?
actually, i do. sort of. the lower end of sauropod size, especially considering the pygmies produced by geographical separation, is about the size of automobile. what's the largest animal to go unnoticed in the heart of africa? so far, the mountain gorilla. it's not a HUGE stretch to pygmy sauropods and exaggerated reports.
i really, really, really want to believe in mkele mbembe, as you can probably tell. do i think it exists? no. but wouldn't it be freakin' cool?
i say it doesn't exist because the reports are all bad. all of them. for starters, sauropods don't live in jungles. it's just a bad idea, they'd get stuck between the trees. sauropods are like elephants, only twenty or thirty times the size. they're designed for big open plains and sparse trees. they evolved to reach the tops of gigantic conifers, and their teeth are built for stripping pine needles. they evolved that way out of necessity, in a dry jurassic period. that's not jungle material.
the idea of it being associated with a lake -- commonly seen in it -- is also a bad sign. why? well, years ago we thought sauropods were too heavy to stand on their own, and would have lived in water. we're talking another case of natives describing or depicting out-dated children's coloring books, not a real animal. the least we could do is show these people jurassic park or something.
Think critically about this for a minute and estimate the tonnage of food that such animal would require each day
actually, that'd be the one thing the congo wouldn't lack, is lots of vegetation. now, the dung situation might attract more attention.
It is obviously a picture of a plastic kids toy dino taken with a backdrop of weeds.
Why would they do that?
amusement at the expense of others.
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arachnophilia
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Message 267 of 304 (432411)
11-05-2007 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Dr Adequate
11-05-2007 11:58 AM


check those numbers, dr. a
Newsweek: "By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who ascribed to Biblically literal creationism."
99.9% do not agree with you.
we plugged through part of this list once. they're counting people with bachelors degrees who homeschool their children, and people with degrees in other genres that do not pertain to life or earth sciences (such as dembski). i think you'll find that the actual biologist and geologist and paleontologist content of that list is much smaller than they represent.


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