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Topic: Why do creationists believe the world was created 6k years ago?
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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 16 of 25 (432396)
11-05-2007 7:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw 11-05-2007 6:35 PM
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Gotta quit misrepresenting the Bible Buz.
Genesis writes: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning”the first day. So each day was light and dark, even before there was a Sun. No need of a Sun or Moon. Have you ever read the Bible Buz? Edited by jar, : No reason given. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw
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Message 17 of 25 (432400)
11-05-2007 8:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by PaulK 11-05-2007 6:46 PM
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I apply the science to the Biblical/Buzsaw Hypothesis when I can. The sun & moon likely have a bearing on the rotation of the earth as well as the 24 hour day. Also the text specifically says that the sun & moon were to determine the days and seasons etc. I go with the Bible but when the science applies imo it should be applied.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 18 of 25 (432423)
11-05-2007 11:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by Brian 11-05-2007 3:56 PM
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The guy you want to look up is Bishop Ussher, he arrived at the creation date of 4004 BC. Yeah, but he cheated 'cos he wanted to shoehorn history into the Great Week hypothesis.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17822 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.2
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Message 19 of 25 (432440)
11-06-2007 2:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw 11-05-2007 8:14 PM
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The sun & moon likely have a bearing on the rotation of the earth as well as the 24 hour day.
No, it's not likely. Not in the Genesis account where day and night come before the sun and the moon and where there are mornings and evenings - and plants growing - before the sun and the moon and the stars are created. (Do you really think that plants would thrive in a million years of more of darkness ?)
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Also the text specifically says that the sun & moon were to determine the days and seasons etc.
Which refers to measurements, not changing the time periods involved.
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I go with the Bible but when the science applies imo it should be applied.
Neither suggests that the length of day changed (or would change) in the Genesis 1 creation account.
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Meddle
Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 179 From: Scotland Joined: 05-08-2006
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Message 20 of 25 (432451)
11-06-2007 4:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw 11-05-2007 6:35 PM
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Why believe the earth is not 6K years?
This is what I don't understand. If you follow a literal interpretation of the bible, why do you not believe the world was created 6000 years ago in a week long creation event? Is it that you have no argument against some of the evidence that geology provides that contradicts such a short time-frame, such as the sheer depth and number of strata that have been laid down; that some rock formations take long times to form, like limestone; or even radiometric dating methods all giving a similar ~4 billion year age to the earth? How then do you, for example, account for the fossils incorporated into these strata? Why do you find it necessary to shoehorn long periods of time into the story rather than basing your interpretation on what is actually written?
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Message 21 of 25 (432502)
11-06-2007 12:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by Spektical 11-05-2007 3:08 PM
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That's right and there is no biblical support. The link you posted was a scientific one!! The Genealogies come from the Bible. Thus: Biblical support. If you regard adding numbers up, and trying to deduce unknown numbers from other facts to be a scientific argument that's fine - but to say there is no Biblical support is obviously false.
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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 22 of 25 (432503)
11-06-2007 12:09 PM
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Towards the topic
The 6000 year figure was arrived at by picking a verifiable date, IIRC Herod's death. Since Jesus could not have been born after Herod's death, which was in 4BC, Ussher used that as a key milestone, and then used accounts from the Biblical genealogies to work backwards. The Creation week was taken as literal days for several reasons, one most prominent is that the Jews themselves accepted them as literal days in their calendar system. It was actually a rather remarkable feat, and one many other people also attempted coming up with different results based on assumptions, changes in various calendar systems and Canons. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Brian
Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: 10-22-2002
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Message 23 of 25 (432516)
11-06-2007 1:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw 11-05-2007 6:35 PM
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The Bible does not designate the length of the days before day 5 after the sun and moon were created. Is there any good reason to assume that before day 5 the days were not 24 hours long?
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Spektical
Member (Idle past 5977 days) Posts: 119 Joined: 10-16-2007
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Message 24 of 25 (432518)
11-06-2007 1:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by Modulous 11-06-2007 12:02 PM
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Agreed. I guess creationists will always rely on nothing but the bible for historical facts just like muslims rely on the quran for instructions on how to be human. Its as ridiculous as having a computer constantly read instructions on how its supposed to operate while it operates (which doesn't happen btw). It sadens me to see how much humans cut themselves short by believing such nonsense.
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Brian
Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: 10-22-2002
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Message 25 of 25 (432521)
11-06-2007 1:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Spektical 11-06-2007 1:19 PM
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It sadens me to see how much humans cut themselves short by believing such nonsense. And they actually do the Bible itself a disservice.
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