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Message 243 of 305 (432452)
11-06-2007 4:41 AM

Reply to: Message 242 by IamJoseph
11-06-2007 3:15 AM

RE: EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE.

would viruses on pluto evolve to zebras and humans, or similar life forms? Yes/no; why yes/no?

No, because the conditions on Pluto are drastically different from the conditions on Earth.

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Message 261 of 305 (432536)
11-06-2007 2:46 PM

Reply to: Message 244 by IamJoseph
11-06-2007 5:42 AM

RE: EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE.

Are you really comfortable with that, and does it mean it is thereby not possible for life to exist, emerge or evolve elsewhere [different conditions], or do you mean, other reasonably similar to earth conditions would surely result in life?

I mean you're not going to get a zebra on Pluto because Pluto is nothing like Earth. If there is life on Pluto it is very very very very very very different from life here. Pluto has a very thin atmosphere (during the parts of its orbit when it has an atmosphere) of nitrogen, methane and carbon dioxide. It has a surface temp of around 44K. Zebras can't live under these condition. I would imagine that the vast majority of transitional species between your hypothetical virus and the zebra couln't live in these conditions.

If the conditions are not right in Pluto, can they see that in another galaxy the right conditions prevail, and would they mirgrate there, as do birds and animals here?

This is nonsense. All i'm trying to point out to you is that because of the extreme differences in enviroment between Earth and Pluto, you're not going to have the same organisms evolve. It has nothing to do with evolution only working on Earth.

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Message 265 of 305 (432608)
11-07-2007 2:10 AM

Reply to: Message 264 by IamJoseph
11-07-2007 1:44 AM

RE: EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE.

Namely, does the provision of adaptation apply only to one set of harsh conditions, that of earth, and no other; this appears what is being said

And you're wrong, this is not what's being said. Way back in post #242 you asked:

would viruses on pluto evolve to zebras and humans, or similar life forms? Yes/no; why yes/no?

And my answer was:

No, because the conditions on Pluto are drastically different from the conditions on Earth.

Nobody said that evolution only occurs on Earth. What was said was that because of the different enviroment on Pluto you would not have any earth-like organisms evolve. I repeat: Evolution is not limited to life on Earth!.

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Message 269 of 305 (432617)
11-07-2007 3:51 AM

Reply to: Message 267 by IamJoseph
11-07-2007 2:54 AM

RE: EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE.

Yes, you did say so, but does this not mean that Adaptation does not occur in other harsh environments than earth?

Not at all. What I am saying and I'll repeat it in bold and asscaps cause you don't seem to be grasping it is: THE OUTCOME OF THE EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS IS DEPENDENT ON (AMONG OTHER THINGS) THE ENVIROMENT IN WHICH THE ORGANISM LIVES. BECAUSE PLUTO HAS A RADICALLY DIFFERENT ENIVROMENT THAN EARTH THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF EARTH LIKE LIFE EVOLVING ON IT. YOU WILL NOT GET A ZEBRA FROM A VIRUS ON PLUTO.

What is the basis for such a premise?

The fact that random mutation and natural selection occur in many different enviroments. We have yet to find an enviroment in which random mutation and natural selection do not occur in the life forms inhabiting it.

But there is no non-earth-like life either

Correct we have yet to find non-Earth life. But if there is life out there, then what would prevent it from evolving from other life. What enivroments would prevent random mutation and natural selection from occuring?

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Edited by DrJones*, : a little clarification

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