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Author Topic:   The irresolvability of the creation/evolution debate
crashfrog
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Message 7 of 98 (433176)
11-10-2007 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Hyroglyphx
11-10-2007 12:48 PM


Today's Bad Math brought to you by NJ
I agree, because if you keep breaking down the rationale by a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction, the end sum will eventually reach zero.
Um, no, you actually never reach zero, just like if you start with 1 and keep adding 1, you never reach infinity.
The limit of 1/x as x -> infinity is zero, but just as you never reach infinity, 1/x never actually evaluates to zero for any value of x.
The question, if broken down far enough, will always end in metaphysics where science breaks down, or is incapable of answering the question further with empiricism.
Funny, I thought we had this discussion already.
It's sufficient to look around you to conclude the realness of reality, and if you don't believe me, make like Samuel Johnson and go kick a rock. If metaphysics cannot verify the legitimacy of this method, that's a problem with metaphysics, not with the method.
The results of scientific inquiry are manifest; they include the very computer you're using to read this message. The results of religion are similarly obvious - nothing good. That metaphysics does not, apparently, have the rigor to distinguish between the obviously useful and the obviously useless indicates that trying to establish truth via metaphysics cannot be done, and the primacy of observation stands unchallenged.

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crashfrog
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Message 15 of 98 (433270)
11-10-2007 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Hyroglyphx
11-10-2007 9:22 PM


Re: Today's Bad Math brought to you by NJ
If the universe has a beginning, with a finite amount of possible answers, then yes, you will reach zero.
I'm not sure what you think that means. 1/x never evaluates to zero.
I dunno. Where you talking about the summation of 1/x as x -> infinity? Because the limit of that function is 1, not zero, and again, you can never actually reach 1 because you can't evaluate for x = infinity, since infinity isn't actually a number.
But really, it was more euphemistic than anything else.
I think you mean "metaphor", but if you're going to make assertions via metaphor, don't you think your metaphors should be true?
Yes, and I'm sure beside myself, Modulous and Archer were wondering why you kept masochistically coming back for more.
More disingenuity? More not having my arguments rebutted? More philosophical mumbo-jumbo?
Yeah, why do I come back for that? I guess because, no matter how often you're refuted, you act like nobody's ever posted a response to your arguments.
Science in general especially employs philosophical abstracts as a basis for its initial theorems.
I continue to remain unconvinced that this is true, because the proponents of this position have no evidence to support it, and the vast majority of scientific developments have had absolutely nothing to do with philosophy.
The more you try to chip away at philosophy, the more you'll find it chipping away at you in the process.
That's what I fear philosophy does - chips away at human knowledge, at it's significance, by giving us specious reasons to conceal the veracity of our experience of reality.

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