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Lysimachus
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Message 46 of 55 (433194)
11-10-2007 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by jar
11-10-2007 2:46 PM


Re: On evidence
Perhaps I should jar, and I'd love to. Only problem is, the only days I have time to post in this forum are on Saturdays, and creating one would press me hard for time. Why don't you create one, and then I can respond to it as I can. I just don't want to start a thread and not be able to follow up with it like I would like to.

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jar
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Message 47 of 55 (433196)
11-10-2007 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Lysimachus
11-10-2007 2:54 PM


Re: On evidence
Sorry but so far I know of absolutely no evidence there was some Exodus, so I cannot in any honesty start a thread based on asserting a folk tale is factual.
On the other hand you and Buz and a few others pop in every once in awhile with the assertion that some evidence exists, however in the years I have been here, not one of you have ever actually presented anything that stood up to examination.
If there is some actual evidence, present it.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Lysimachus
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Message 48 of 55 (433197)
11-10-2007 3:14 PM
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11-10-2007 3:02 PM


Re: On evidence
All you would have to do is create a thread about the Exodus.
Subject: "Is there archaeological evidence for the Exodus?", for example. I never said you had to assert any "folk tales". Brian starts Biblical topics all the time, does that mean he believes in the bible?

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jar
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Message 49 of 55 (433202)
11-10-2007 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Lysimachus
11-10-2007 3:14 PM


Re: On evidence
Thread proposed.
It will be interesting to see if you guys finally present some evidence that stands up to examination.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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PaulK
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Message 50 of 55 (433208)
11-10-2007 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Lysimachus
11-10-2007 2:35 PM


Re: Speech Is The Issue Here.
quote:
Aside from you totally missing Buzsaw's point in referring to the Biblical historical record, you are severely tempting me to divert this conversation into another Exodus debate.
It's hard to say I'm missing the point when Buz himself won't say what his point is. And if you want to be thrashed again on an Exodus debate, I'm up for it.
As I remember you posted the map which showed that there was no sandbar, and no special crossing route. As Brian has pointed out the Red Sea is NOT the sea that was crossed in Exodus so Nuweiba is unquestionably the wrong place.
And quite frankly, given Moeller's hopeless lack of competence I'm not about to beleive that some unnamed Korean doctor made any dramatic discoveries either.
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I'm still waiting for your proof against all these things PaulK. Ever since I've known you, you deny evidence, yet you never have evidence to prove our evidence wrong. I'm still waiting, and I believe that I shall forever be waiting.
You're forgetting that it's your job to show that this is credible relevant evidence. You failed utterly. All you give is the word of Wyatt - a fake and a fraud - and Moeller - at best incompetent. Did we ever see any evidence that the coral formations contained chariot wheels as alleged ? No ! Where evidence IS actually available I did very well - for instance completely demolishing the rewrite of Egyptian history you are so fond of and demonstrating Moeller's incompetence as a consequence.
But how tell me, am I supposed to show that thre are no chariot wheels in coral formations that have never been properly examined - by anyone ?

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Lysimachus
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Message 51 of 55 (433232)
11-10-2007 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by PaulK
11-10-2007 3:57 PM


Re: Speech Is The Issue Here.
I'll have to make a longer, more detailed response to you PaulK in the thread that Jar created. However, please bear in mind that it might be a while, so do not delete the thread. My work hours have started (I'm an online marketer), so it will be tough to find time.
Just remember, however, that you will simply repeat your same arguments against what I believe to be evidence. You simply interpret what I believe to be "evidence" as "not evidence". Remember, "evidence" is all in the mind, and how you interpret it. Kind of like footage of the moon-walks. People intrepret the moon-walk footages as proof (evidence) that man did go to the moon (and rightfully so), yet another class of individuals use the same videos to supposedly "prove" (evidence) that man "didn't go to the moon". So you see, 2 different kinds of people are drawing 2 different conclusions off of the same "evidence".
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~Lysimachus

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PaulK
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Message 52 of 55 (433317)
11-11-2007 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Lysimachus
11-10-2007 5:55 PM


Re: Speech Is The Issue Here.
If you want to make comparisons then you belong with the crowd that deny the moon landings. Just like them you don't have a real case. As we found out.

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Message 53 of 55 (438778)
12-06-2007 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
10-22-2007 11:33 PM


Biblical Archeology
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/21_home.html
I'm not an expert on Archeology, in fact, I'm not even a novice. You are certainly welcome to find your own links to Biblical Archeology sites; however I did want to point out, since I had heard it in recent news that archeologist have found what they belive to be Nehemiah's wall. Which is described in the book of Nehemiah. The link above will take you to several articals, one of which covers this new find.
Home - Biblical Archaeology Society
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BIBARCH – Our 25th year of service
Biblical archaeology - Wikipedia
http://dir.yahoo.com/...ogy/Archaeology/Biblical_Archaeology
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Biblical Archaeology
A qiuck search on Biblical Archeology turned up these and many many many more links.

And God demonstrates the infallable nature of His Word in Lev 11:20,23 where by He says "Though shalt not eat the praying mantids" Why? Cause they're praying.

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sl33w
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Message 54 of 55 (474876)
07-11-2008 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
10-22-2007 11:33 PM


Biblical History is Mine
To: Buzsaw
Quote: "Does a Biblical historical record exist?"
Answer: Men possessing the Spirit of the Living God have documented different parts of the biblical (no capital, B") record since coming out of the Dark Ages in the 1500s. The "Matthew Poole Commentary" was the first one with very many correct conclusions. He was a qualified expositor because he predicted the future by interpreting Revelation.
42 Months = AD 600-1860. Encyclopedia: "tenth of city fell" in 1859-60 (One Day - Rev 18.2, 8).
Armageddon = fall of Ottoman Turks. Encyclopedia: Turks surrendered Oct. 29, 1918.
Albert Barnes, 1851, Armageddon = fall of Turks.
B.W. Johnson, 1891, Armageddon = fall of Turks.
Alexander Campbell, 1823-66; "kill with sword will be killed with sword" (Rev 13.10) = Babylon (Papal Rome); Encyclopedia: Papacy & Pope Pius IX run out of Rome and into captivity, Sept. 20, 1870.
"A History of Arabs", Hitti: "the hour, day, month, year" (Rev 9.13) identified by the "unbelieving" Muslim as AD 680-1071.
Millennium dated Jan. 1851 by Robert Milligan.
Dated Sept. 1870 by William Hurte.
Dated June 4, 1859 by Sid Williams.
Captivity of Millennium dated Sept. 1959 by Sid Williams.
Chronology of entire Bible (excluding undated periods before Gen 5., and after Rev 20) from 4,148 BC to AD 2015 by Sid Williams.
Parable of Creation from "Beginning of Time" (Gen 5) to Rapture in AD 77 by Sid Williams.
430 years and 70 Weeks and 70 Years Captivity of Judah accurately dated by Andrew Fausset and Sid Williiams.
A multitude of other men of God have correctly identified many biblical events.
The Flood dated 2492 BC by Sid Williams. This is confirmed by grade school reading comprehension and grade school math and the presence of the Spirit of the Living God.
Quote: "Must a historical record be empirically substantiated ...?'
Answer: #1 answered that question.
Quote: "Certain books of the OT are nearly all alleged history ..."
Answer: They are "alleged by the Living God who predicted and punished Egypts (always plural in Hebrew), who predicted and destroyed the 10 Northern Tribes in 721 BC, who predicted and destroyed Assyria, 612-09 BC, who predicted and destroyed Judah, 588 BC, who predicted and destroyed Babylon, 539 BC, who predicted and destroyed Persia,331 BC, who predicted and destroyed Greece, 67 BC, who predicted and destroyed Rome,AD 476, who predicted and destroyed Constatinople, AD 1453, who predicted and destroyed The Papal States (Babylon), AD 1870." Who would doubt the "allegations" of the Living God?
sl33w

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Brian
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Message 55 of 55 (474917)
07-12-2008 7:04 AM


The Flood dated 2492 BC by Sid Williams. This is confirmed by grade school reading comprehension and grade school math and the presence of the Spirit of the Living God.
But, despite all this, it was a fictional event.

  
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