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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Aquilegia writes:
Would you like to be specific? I'm a physicist, so I'm sure I'll be able to follow your technical explanation. I never said that 'It must be God,'. I think, however, that because galaxies are intact, the universe must be younger than 10,000 years. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Aquilegia753 writes:
As I suspected. This is a gross misunderstanding of astrophysics. Well, the force of the galaxies spinning (at insanely fast speeds) along with the lack of neccesary mass to counter the effect with an equally strong gravitational pull towards the center means that the galaxies should be torn apart within 10,000 years. Because they are still intact and still spinning, either the galaxies must have more mass, and therefore more gravity (the theoretical 'Dark Matter'), or the universe and galaxies are less than 10,000 years old, and the galaxies haven't had time to decay. It's not just how fast the galaxies are spinning, it's the way they are spinning. Let's assume for a moment that the galaxies are less than 10,000 years old and that most of them are just empty space (meaning all the visible matter that we can observe are all the matter there is). We would be observing galaxies to behave more or less like a planetary star system with the inner planets having much less angular speeds than the outer planets. If this was the case with how the galaxies are behaving, you would have a point. But the galaxies are behaving more like solid objects than a planetary star system. The stars toward the outer edge have almost the same angular speeds than the stars toward the center. The only possible explanation for this behavior is if most of the matter that exist in the galaxies are nonvisible. We can certainly see their influence on the visible objects that we see, but we can't see what they are. Hence, we call them dark matter. And where did you get the 10,000 years from? I still haven't figured that out yet. Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Aquilegia753 writes:
In other words, god could have created the universe, the world, and all of us with all our memories of our childhoods last thursday? I never denied the 'old universe' theory. I actually strongly believe that God made all things mature. In doing that, he could have created a 'mature' universe. The rocks could appear to be billions of years old, but really be much younger. Adam could've appeared to have been 30, when he was not a day old. Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Aquilegia753 writes:
Are you saying that the speed of light is not constant? Even so if God created the stars on that day, then the speed of light would have to be even greater! Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Just use html.
Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I'd like to remind you that this is a science forum. Your liberal use of biblical passages to prove a point is getting tiring.
Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Aquilegia753 writes:
I'm sure the creationists who have been trying for years to dissociate creationism with religion appreciate what you are doing. I'm surprised none of the admins have waved their magic wand at you yet. I know this is a science forum, but I happen to believe that the Bible is historical. That if you dug deep enough around the Sinai Peninsula, you'd find Egyptian war equipment. That you will never find the body of Jesus, because there is no body to be found. I believe that a huge flood did cover the earth and alter its formations. Because I believe this, I will use the Bible in my evidence whenever I feel like. But more to the point, what you have essentially confessed right there is you will never believe anything science has to offer. In other words, there really is no point for you to debate your beliefs. Your mind is made up. This, I might add, is exactly the opposite of what the creationist and intelligent design movements are suppose to be about. PS - You didn't reply to me about the way the galaxies are being held together. I just want to know if my explanation made any sense to you. If need be, I'll draw some diagrams to help you understand it better. Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
See, the most valuable thing I learned while in college was the fact that there are vast amounts of information out there that I am not aware of. Having the know-it-all attitude would certainly make a fool out of me one of these days. When will they ever learn? This is what people like Aquilegia753 need to learn. The more things I know, the more things I know I don't know. But instead of having this attitude, people like Aquilegia753 remember a few sentences from their physics text book and assume those few sentences represent the limits of human knowledge. When I first read that supposed time distortion with the car honking thing he was talking about, I felt a sharp pain. I just find it astonishing that people could show such willful ignorance and contempt for true human knowledge while proclaiming to be speaking for an all-knowing god. But the really sad thing about all of this is Aquilegia will probably ignore RAZD's response after having read it and continue to believe that he knows all there is to it. Anyway, sorry for the off-topic rant, people. Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I've always wondered about the misconception of motion. My common sense at least have always told me that objects never go in a curve unless there's something acting upon it. When a child is swung off of a merry go round, she doesn't continue to go in a curve. She goes off in a straight line. I don't understand where people get the idea that objects continue to go in a curved line if it is originally pushed that way.
When I was in 4th grade (mind you I went to a religiou school back then), my science teacher told demonstrated once to us how the planets are kept in orbit. He had a kid held his hand really tight and he ordered him to try to go in a straight path. With my teacher holding onto him tightly, he ended up going in a circle around my teacher. Ok, that was somewhat of an oversimplified notion of planetary motion, but it was the right path. My teacher then let go of that kid and he continued on in a straight line. In other words, objects going in a straight line unless outside force acted upon it became common sense to me in 4th grade. And it was a christian school I went to, not a public school. How on Earth can people go through life totally clueless about newton's 3 laws of motion? I mean, all they have to do is try to roll a ball in a curve path. It's not like they need a state of the art laboratory to perform such an experiment. Oh, and did I mention I got all 9... um 8 of the planets' names memorized in 4th grade? In order from the sun out: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Plu... and Neptune. Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Dr A writes:
Now that you have been unsuspended, what the flying squirrel are you talking about? "Mark's violet eyes make Jane sit up nights pining." How are you at geological periods? "Cows often sit down carefully, perhaps their joints creak." It would be easier if so many of them didn't begin with C.
Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
OMG, that's clever!
Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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