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Pascal's Wager - Any Way to Live a Life

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nator
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Message 28 of 126 (432939)
11-09-2007 6:59 AM 		Reply to: Message 17 by Phat
11-08-2007 6:35 PM

Re: How I came to believe the stuff I do
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You did choose your beliefs. You chose to believe in logic, reason, and evidence.
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The thing is, logic, reason, and evidence are there, and work, no matter if you "believe in" them or not.
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If you think you can choose your beliefs, then why don't you choose to be an Atheist for a week?
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11-09-2007 6:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 35 by Phat
11-09-2007 4:56 PM

Re: Clarification of Pascals infamous Wager
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I have always believed that God helps those who trust in Him with all their heart and lean not on their own understanding.
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So....
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God helps people who make efforts to avoid using their intelligence?
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God likes the ignorant?
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11-10-2007 6:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 43 by Hyroglyphx
11-10-2007 12:17 PM

Re: Clarification of Pascals infamous Wager
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I know the difference between a monologue and a dialogue.
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How do you know?
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11-12-2007 5:52 PM 		Reply to: Message 53 by mike the wiz
11-12-2007 4:32 PM

Re: How I came to believe the stuff I do
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To doubt and disbelieve is to climb off the saddle when the mountain pass gets steep.
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Not really.
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Doubt is the only thing that allows us to change and take in new information.
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Without doubt, we stagnate.
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Doubt is one of the greatest gifts we have as thinking creatures.
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nator
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11-13-2007 7:30 PM 		Reply to: Message 61 by mike the wiz
11-13-2007 8:48 AM

Re: How I came to believe the stuff I do
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It's an assumption, and a logical one, that if God exists, he knows better than us and we can trust in him.
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That doesn't follow, unless you claim to understand the nature and intentions of God.
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...which you claimed that you don't.
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Mikey gets self-contradictory when he is a believer.
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Must be some trouble with the cognitive dissonance again.
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11-13-2007 7:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 62 by mike the wiz
11-13-2007 9:08 AM

Re: How I came to believe the stuff I do
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What matters is that to doubt in God is easy.
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Yup.
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Why do you think that is?
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There's no evidence. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim and equate God to fairies and then change your statement when mike says something that is favourable to that assumption.
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I have exactly the same amount of doubt regarding fairies as I do about God/gods.
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I'm an agnostic, remember?
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