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Author Topic:   Where/how do believers draw the line and why?
jar
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Message 63 of 88 (434425)
11-15-2007 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Spektical
11-15-2007 7:02 PM


Re: Is there a point?
I also used the unitarian example which no-one has responded to.
You did read Message 54 didn't you?

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jar
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Message 67 of 88 (434431)
11-15-2007 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Spektical
11-15-2007 7:13 PM


Re: Is there a point?
They do not pray to Jesus, but to God directly.
Read Matthew 6.
5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.[a]' 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

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jar
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Message 71 of 88 (434439)
11-15-2007 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Spektical
11-15-2007 7:30 PM


Re: Is there a point?
Did you read Message 54 once again?
Concepts about deity are diverse among UUs. Some believe that there is no god (atheism); others believe in many gods (polytheism). Some believe that God is a metaphor for a transcendent reality. Some believe in a female god (goddess), a passive god (Deism), a Christian god, or a god manifested in nature or one which is the "ground of being". Some UUs reject the idea of deities and instead speak of "universal spirit" or "reverence of life". Unitarian Universalists support each person's search for truth and meaning in concepts of deity.
In addition, did you notice that they are different reasons.
Buddhist do not believe Jesus is God.
Muslims do not believe Jesus is God.
Jews do not believe Jesus is God.
Do you have a point?
What does any of that have to do with the topic or the thread?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 85 of 88 (434595)
11-16-2007 12:56 PM


Okay, taking a stab at what may be the point.
I kinda get a hint, just a hint mind you, that Spektical might, just might mind you, have a problem, just a small problem mind you, with the concept, just a limited concept mind you, of his personal vision, just a blurry vision mind you, of some religions, just some specific religions mind you, or maybe the behaviors, just a few of the behaviors mind you, of those religions.
He seems to think that what was portrayed in the documentary "Jesus Camp" is wrong.
I happen to agree.
He seems to think suicide bombers are wrong.
Well, maybe. But that might make an interesting thread if he could start one.
He seems to think worrying about salvation is not a good thing.
I tend to think it is a total waste of time and effort, but can see no reason someone else might not want to spend their life worrying about the next life. I certainly don't see anyway that someone worrying about their salvation can create much of a problem, even for Spektical.
So what exactly is his point?
Let me propose a hypothetical.
Suppose tomorrow morning, when the sun rose over Palestine, just the geographic area, not some city-state, everyone awoke to find they had become Atheists.
Just what would have changed?
Would the people living in the communes and settlements suddenly be willing to pack up and leave the homes they had built?
Would the Knesset suddenly be willing to turn control and authority over to the Palestinian Authority?
Folk, issues like the middle east or Palestine are NOT religious. It is a matter of power and who holds it, of money and who has it, of resources and who gets to exploit them.
Of course there are examples of misuse of religion, but that is true of most anything, nationalism, baseball, food, politics, motherhood.
I consider myself a religious person.
But the things that Spektical mentioned were also pretty much things where I would agree with him. The issue of suicide bombers is one that would need some discussion since I can easily see situations where the act would be justified, but in all, not too many areas of disagreement.
So once again, Spektical, what is you point?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 87 of 88 (434674)
11-16-2007 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by bluescat48
11-16-2007 7:31 PM


Re: Okay, taking a stab at what may be the point.
Not really what I think can be included in this thread.

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