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contracycle
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Message 15 of 23 (43293)
06-18-2003 9:27 AM


Eh... I hesitate to ask, but what was this meant to mean?
"In the past I has thought there WAS something to dialectical materialism materially but seeing as those kind of scientists could not gain say topobiology evolutionary I give that this but passing interest only. "
I'm conversant with dialectical materialism. No I am not aware of any applied work on topobiology. I'm just curious as to what you are on about here.
Edite: "not gainsay"... do you mean, "could not contradict evolution"? That would be unsurprising given dialectical materialism's own basis.
[This message has been edited by contracycle, 06-18-2003]

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contracycle
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Message 17 of 23 (43392)
06-19-2003 5:42 AM


OK I'm going to try again.
Brad - please be aware that I am not aware of any existing dialogue that you may or may not have in regards cell embryology or topobiology. I am not able to understand your point in that direction.
All I wondered about was what it was that you wanted DM to do, or not do.
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and as you say that you know some materialism dialectically then answer why Gould thought it OK to use Hegel when Hedigerr would or could of told his Kantian side otherwise? Simply deal with Derrida's reading of Husserl and try to think of Cantor at the same institution at the same near time frame...
Hegels work is under-valued IMO. Now it should also be noted that my strand of DM is the Marxian inversion of Hegel rather than Hegel pure and proper.
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I can deal with the word "evolution" directly for I still need to see some discussion of biological change rather than evolution as reference to Fuytuma will not be where I would show more results for any applied dialectical materialism as there need not be an equlibria of his sort when the orders
Is your question: "How does DM address/explain the physical process of evolution?"
Roughly speaking, by pre-empting probablistic analysis and asserting that the actual physical manifestation observed will be a probabalistic outcome of several conflicting potentialities.

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contracycle
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Message 19 of 23 (43470)
06-20-2003 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Brad McFall
06-19-2003 2:48 PM


Re: Oh, sorry your call CAN be completed as a SOAp
I still doubt we are communicating meaningfully, but anyway:
IMO = In My Opinion
If your interest is in the philosophy of science and biology, I could point you in the direction of, say, Engels work "The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State", which necessarily advances a materialist argument as to the origin of life and humanity. Granted, there are more recent reworkings with up to date science, but its worth a read.
It's worth noting, of course, that Marx declared criticism of religion pretty much complete by the end of the century, so did no write greatly on those topics after leaving university. One doc that might be worth a read is his early critique of Hegel:
http://www.marxists.org/.../works/1844/manuscripts/hegel.htm

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contracycle
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Message 22 of 23 (43929)
06-24-2003 11:53 AM


Well, I can't even say whether or not we are communicating I'm not following your angle anyway. I was only curious about yourt interest in DM, I am not a geologist or have any knowledge of specifically geology-realetd applications of DM. I am sorry we appear to be talking past each other. Never mind.

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