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Author Topic:   Creation of the English Language
Jon
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Message 156 of 205 (434754)
11-17-2007 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by IamJoseph
11-17-2007 6:02 AM


Re: Points for IAJ to Address:
Thus english represents a worldly mix, more pristine [less baggage], greater menu of sounds, and a more refined sound [less gutheral].
Gutheral? C'mon! What a joke.
Firstly, I'm not conversant with many dead languages, but can see those ancient languages could have been very elaborate and possessed many fine traits. We know that older languages were far more complex and sophisticated; Hebrew is a fine example here, and we can see first hand the magnificance of the OT as a 'literary' work, its expressionisms and axioms utilised by the greatest writers, far more than any other.
Irrelevant.
English has a cadence of europe, the M/E, asia and china; english also possesses more sounds, and with its vowels not separated; interestingly, the vowels were part of the alphabets in the hebrew, as were the numerals - it was the greeks which separated the vowels and numerlas from the hebrew, when they begat the greek alphabets from this source. Now, its back again to the original format, namely the vowels are back within the alphabets - this gives a greater flexibility and pliability.
Honestly, did you write this whilst intoxicated? English has at least 13-15 vowel sounds. Count the vowels in the alphabet and tell me how many you nd. In case you forget, it's: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z.
it was the greeks which separated the vowels and numerlas from the hebrew
What? That is nonsensical jabberwocky. Please type your posts in English.
English has a cadence of europe, the M/E, asia and china; english also possesses more sounds, and with its vowels not separated;
Again, utterly meaningless gibberish.
I noticed you quoted large portions of my message, as if you were going to address the points therein, but then went on talking about Greek and Hebrew and, yes again, writing. All completely unrelated to English. Do you want to address this one here (the major blow to your position):
quote:
It is, as the previous chapter has already indicated, entirely the case that the activities of the UK in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries spread English world-wide in commercial and imperial terms, and that those of the USA in the twentieth consolidated its global role culturally, technologically, and militarily.
If you can't address that point, your position has not backing.
Jon
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"English World-Wide in the Twentieth Century" Tom McArthur in The Oxford History of the English Language Ed Lynda Mugglestone (Oxford:2006) 379.

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Jon
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Message 167 of 205 (434876)
11-17-2007 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by IamJoseph
11-17-2007 9:01 PM


ADDRESS THE POINTS
IAJ, will you, PLEASE, start addressing the multitude of points that have been brought against your position, instead of simply coming up with new misrepresented facts and extra red herring? Every time someone refutes your point, instead of admitting it, you try to spin support for you position in some new and unrelated direction, pulling the thread off topic and wasting everyone's time.
Why don't you start debating like a grown up instead of a little toddler? Perhaps if you did, people 'round here would take you more seriously. But until then, I cannot see myself or anyone else responding to your posts with anything other than all-out laughter.
Now, get on the Google and do some actual research to support your assertions!
Jon

In considering the Origin of Species, it is quite conceivable that a naturalist... might come to the conclusion that each species had not been independently created, but had descended, like varieties, from other species. - Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species
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Jon
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Message 172 of 205 (434889)
11-17-2007 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by IamJoseph
11-17-2007 9:26 PM


Still didn't address anything... try again:
France and Spain were conquering nations same as Briton, but lost the language war.
Oh, but did they?
quote:
Wikipedia: List of Language by Number of Native Speakers
1 | Mandarin | Sino-Tibetan, Chinese            |  873 million
2 | Spanish  | Indo-European, Italic, Romance   |  322 million
3 | English  | Indo-European, Germanic, West    |  309 million

How can you lose the language war and still be up at top? How can a loser of the language war be above the winner of the language war?
Why is English the language of commerce? Well... Do you think that if a, let's say, Spanish-speaking country had swooped in to x up WWII, subsequently became one of two dominant world powers (Russia being the other), and then been the only dominant world power left after the other collapsed (like Russia did), that English would still the language of commerce? That, let's say, all those Spanish folk would go learn English suddenly?
If so, why? Provide linked-to information to support your claims, please.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 178 of 205 (434899)
11-17-2007 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by IamJoseph
11-17-2007 10:31 PM


Please, try yet again...
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If so, why? Provide linked-to information to support your claims, please.
Sure. Take Singapore for example: 1000s of years of chinese are becoming overturned with the government mandating english education at schools. Why -because of the global and advancement propspects, and the real fear of not being in the backwaters. There is a logical and evidential reason why many countries are lacking, and which are advancing, and why. Aside from minerals and oil deposits, only english speaking nations are advancing. The service workforce is beling allocated to India, not south America or Europe!
YOU NEED TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS!
At least make your arguments worthy of rebuttals. Jeesh.
Jon

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