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Jon Inactive Member |
Due to the recent spammer (Pharaoh205), I have come to wonder about the overall public image of Creationism. Perhaps we could discuss the main problems with the public image. So, let us talk about it in relation to the following:
For each point, I'd like to focus on the following aspects:
I've been eating aspartame, so I'm having a little trouble properly formulating my thoughts, but I do hope this will get the gist of the idea across as for what I am hoping to talk about. Jon Edited by AgamemJon, : removed message to Admins. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ En el mundo hay multitud de idiomas, y cada uno tiene su propio significado. - I Corintios 14:10_ _ _ _ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ A devout people with its back to the wall can be pushed deeper and deeper into hardening religious nativism, in the end even preferring national suicide to religious compromise. - Colin Wells Sailing from Byzantium_ _ _ _ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [Philosophy] stands behind everything. It is the loom behind the fabric, the place you arrive when you trace the threads back to their source. It is where you question everything you think you know and seek every truth to be had. - Archer Opterix [msg=-11,-316,210]
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The Matt Member (Idle past 5562 days) Posts: 99 From: U.K. Joined: |
The best way to hurt a cause is to make a poor argument in its defence.
The sheer bulk of frankly stupid arguments used in favour of creationism do not help its image in the slightest. If its proponents seem dim witted and uneducated then the cause loses any credibility it has in the eyes of an observer.This is a fairly universal problem however. I have seen arguments evolution/old earth that are just as poorly thought through as the worst creationist arguments and must only help to convince creationists the mainstream ideas are wrong.
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
I'd say the most common place to find creationists teaching their messages is in church-related places, such as Sunday school, and at home (especially worrying for the home-schooled). The story is much the same for the publication of creationist literature and media - mostly church-based.
This strong association with religion and family creates as very strong emotional tie to creationism. As the belief is taught by your parents, other relatives and pastors/preachers, you feel that any questioning of this is jeopardising your relationship with your family and God. To accept evolution would therefore mean a loss of almost your whole life, so no wonder they fight so hard not to do it! As for the effect of this on the non-creationists, it depends on their religious views - the non-religious will probably ridicule creationists about it and the religious may only see them as misguided. Likewise for the scientifically educated - the scientists will ridicule them and the non-scientists will take them as just another 'theory' (although probably not believe the creationist opinion because they are a minority). Just a quick word about the mainstream media - they tend to try to be impartial, but this gives the creationists far more credit than they deserve because they end up on equal footing with the scientists. They also like controversy, so like to show dissenting opinions of people who disagree with mainstream views. This reinforces the lay person's perspective about it being a clash between two theories, and that the 'alternatives/controversy should be taught'. Thankfully, there are relatively few vocal creationists in Australia (most moved to the US ), so they get little representation on the media here. The tactics of creationists, however, are what most affects their public image in my view, but to be honest it isn't much publicised and , like before, the effect depends on the audience's religious tendencies and scientific literacy. The video in my signature shows the tactics - appealing to children (and parents) and making emotion-based pleas to the public. As before, the religious non-scientists may see that as normal (after all, children are taught - read: inculcated - from an early age about God, so why not about creation science?). But the non-religious and/or scientists will see that as outrageous, because inculcation is always bad, and is downright appalling when it is dishonest (like emotional appeals and simplifications for children are). I've probably missed something I wanted to say here, so I'll say it later if need be. Edited by Doddy, : broke paragraphs up more consistantly This is what we are up against. There are thousands around the world more being (home-)schooled in the same way. But the internet is far reaching! Teach evolution by joining the Evolution Education Wiki today!
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
The Matt writes: This is a fairly universal problem however. I have seen arguments evolution/old earth that are just as poorly thought through as the worst creationist arguments and must only help to convince creationists the mainstream ideas are wrong. This is certainly very true, but not so much on boards like this. But if you go to a non-science forum, like a gaming forum or movie forum, and discuss evolution in the off-topic area, you will get stupid and ignorant responses from both sides. This is what we are up against. There are thousands around the world more being (home-)schooled in the same way. But the internet is far reaching! Teach evolution by joining the Evolution Education Wiki today!
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Jon writes:
For each point, I'd like to focus on the following aspects:
Christianity and Biblical Creationism need a divorce! Personally, I am a Christian who believes that God is knowable and is ultimately the Creator (originator) of all that is. That having been said, I have no problems with the scientific and common sense teachings of Biological Evolution, Archeology, History, and *ahem* Linguistics! In my belief, God foreknew the unfolding of every inanimate process as well as every biological, cosmological, and human evolutionary process that ever occurred and that is even now still occurring. (The foreknowledge argument is not part of this topic necessarily, but is an ongoing discussion! ) My critics will disagree with me for advocating certain Biblical teaching. In that regard, I will assert that Psychology has a long ways to go as to being the pre-eminant method of child-rearing.
This type of teaching is controversial and will undoubtedly draw criticism from many, but I see no problem with utilizing some of the precepts contained within. The public image of televised and radio broadcasted Christianity is tarnished beyond all useful recognition. That being said, I don't believe that it is all worthless. (My critics assert that it is 99.9999999999999 % worthless, but they also tend to frame their belief concept into that which is verifiable through logic, reason, and reality.) In contrast, I believe that faith is, occasionally, not logical based on human nature and the carnal tendencies of the average person. Biblical Literalism is, in my opinion, a stumbling block that keeps many Christians objects of ridicule and out of touch with reality. To teach any child that the Flood literally happened or that the Earth was created in 7 days is damaging to them, in my opinion.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Doddy writes: Thats why I believe that Christianity and Biblical Creationism need a divorce! This strong association with religion and family creates as very strong emotional tie to creationism. As the belief is taught by your parents, other relatives and pastors/preachers, you feel that any questioning of this is jeopardizing your relationship with your family and God. To accept evolution would therefore mean a loss of almost your whole life, so no wonder they fight so hard not to do it! The issue that is left is the idea of how we should sociologically and psychologically impart our wisdom (or awareness of lack thereof) to our future generations.
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