Was there Gravity at dawn of history?

No, there was no gravity in the early days of Egypt. Earth was an ice ball floating on the other side of the Milky Way. The pyramids were built by cold-blooded aliens.At the time Stonehenge was built, the druids (also cold-blooded) used to ride the stones through the air from Wales to England. That brought about the beginning of the idea of international air traffic regulations, which still survive to this day.Gravity started in the middle-ages, which was why people had to start building with bricks instead of big stones. This was the time that earth became trapped in the sun's orbit. But it was a few hundred years before anyone noticed it, and that was just by accident, because an apple fell on Newton's head. There is no actual scientific proof that gravity existed before this event.Scientists dispute this history because they think it would be impossible for life to have evolved on earth if the relationship to the sun was not pretty much as it is now for billions of years.This, of course, proves that warm-blooded life must have been created in the middle-ages, and could not have evolved. Everything before that was done by aliens. God oversaw all this in his flying saucer, as you know.

Give us your creation science estimate of the earths gravity in the time of the Egyptian pyramid construction. No beating around the bush, just give us the numbers, I won't even suggest you provide evidence to support it. Just give us the degree of alteration to gravity.-x

....And I pointed out, that that would only apply under today's laws. You did not produce evidence for that. Of course, IF it was as it is today, we could not increase or decrease gravity. That was not an issue. The question is was there gravity at all, as we know it?
Just the fact we had an atmosphere does not clinch it in any way. What evidence is there that that atmosphere was held down by gravity? -Just because it is now?

OK, Give me some proof that there was none.

Well, one way to determine if there was a difference, is to look at what we do know. What do we know about gravity in Egypt, precisely? Unless you had some evidence firstly for that, why expect someone else to have evidence for any different gravity force replacement??My opinion is that, the universe was different, up until about a century after the flood of Noah. That means that very early Egypt may have been here. I know that the dates are debatable, and a lot is unknown there, but I see no reason to believe early Egypt was not here then.How different do I think it was? Totally different. I even think matter was not as we know it, but included the spiritual as well. Now, why would a physical attraction force like gravity affect things not just physical, if it did exist?? And why affect it the exact same way?? Who says there were not levels, or layers?? For example, the cursed ground of man, the spiritual heaven a little higher, and etc? Why assume that then, one laws fit all? I don't know. That is one reason it is good to look at what we actually do know.
If there were levels, and different laws and matter, why not have a different balance of forces that pull or push physical things? What if, for example, there was no gravity as we know it? Or, what if there also was other forces, that balanced it out, so that there was no great weight??What if the spiritual component of much of the matter of the day was attracted to things above? That could mean that the balance of forces of the day acting on the matter of the day resulted in being able to move large objects with little effort. Something more along those lines of a different balance, would mean that it was not all up to gravity. So we don't need to reduce or increase it. Get it?All that aside, we basically, don't know. It is starting to look a lot like the same is true of gravity in the past, or future.

Life evolved as it did, from Eden. Starting with the creation of God. Not from scratch. That is pure lard. So, you can't claim gravity was needed to do that. Ridiculous.As for your present gravity being weaker or stronger I covered that last post. First, you need to show it existed at all.
Now, if your roots shooting up thing is valid, show us a dated example from before Egypt!!! That should be interesting.

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Does this mean that it is NOT a matter of of opinion, for non alternative theories, then?

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No, it means there are no alternative theories.A theory is more than simply saying, "I think it could have been different." You have to show actual evidence that supports your claim that things were different. For example, if gravity were different then, we should see certain effects. No, that they could have built the pyramids is not such an effect.Instead, we should see things like changes in the rocks due to the fact that gravity would not compress things as much. Why is it the granites don't appear any different?And then there's the astronomical data: When you look into the sky, you look into the past because light takes a long time to reach us. So why is it that when we look into the past, we see that the gravitational effects are not any different from what we see here and now?The reason why we don't discuss other theories is because there are no other theories to discuss.

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What reasons do you have that gravity was the same "back in the day"when they moved the heavy blocks of the pyramids?

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Because all the evidence points to that conclusion. Gravity leaves effects. They all show a constant gravitational field.Why would you have us ignore the evidence?

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

What a phenomenal waste of all our time. You simply need to just fuck off with these ridiculous conjectures. You don't really believe all this shit, you are making it up to see how long you can string us on in this game of 'waste everyones time'. You won't be nailed down to numbers because you know we will tear your idiotic ideas apart the INSTANT you commit to even a single one. I for one am done with your antics.-x

I suggest that we simply ignore simples theories and discuss the actual evidence for the long term presence of gravity.For example, is the shape of the earth and other bodies evidence that gravity has existed as long as the solar system?What about the orbits of the planets?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Is there a relationship between the angle of debris slopes and gravity?

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I suggest that we simply describe for the vast audience that reads threads but may not post actively some of the evidence for gravity being the same now and in the past.

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If we are to assume that gravity has altered significantly in the past 4400 years, does that fit into the currently observed solar system. Are we to assume that the gravitational flux(for lack of any terminology here) is stable now? or is it still changing? Well if it was still increasing, we would be able to measure this today, just like the idea of a fluctuating speed of light. To date, nothing supports either of these ideas.How significantly would altering gravity affect things like the diameter of our sun for example? Did the properties of the sun change in any notable way throughout the 'history' recounted in the bible? Why would the genesis account tell of the creation of the sun if it wasn't going to make an appearance till after the time of Noah?

In Genesis 1:14-19 we find the creation of a sun and moon. Without gravity neither the sun or the moon could exist. It you remove gravity there is nothing to compress the hydrogen into a spherical shape and in fact it would simply float away in an ever expanding cloud.The existence of sun, moon, planets, and the fact that anything revolve around the sun shows that the force of gravity has existed as long as our solar system.

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As I replied to Phat, the very existence of sun, moon, and planets depends on gravity. There is no way that they would exist if gravity had not existed.

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Can I ask why this is in the science forum?What about we next discuss galaxies as being sub-atomic particles in another universe of a much different and larger scale.