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Author Topic:   Believers in a Creator vs Disbelievers
Am5n 
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Message 1 of 8 (435095)
11-19-2007 12:49 AM


I would like to debate my beliefs against any evolutionist or humanist (anybody who doesn't believe in God).
Well I've made this topic, so I guess I'll be the first to start this off.
I'm pretty sure all of you know that the Bible was written many ages before Darwin's birth, life, and novel. I find it strange that in today's society, where many people can just easily say "evolution dominates God".
There are laws, and those laws were to be followed by all men & women.
These laws are called: The 10 Commandments. Those who fail to abide by the 10 commandments shall be disciplined. May I remind you all (including the evolutionists and humanists) that disciplinary action toward an individual, who disobeys the direct laws of the parent (God), should be disciplined out of love.
People are ignorant. We are all sinners. I say our flesh is a cage and in that cage is our spirit. We are surrounded by sin, therefore since our spirit is surrounded by our own flesh, I say as long as we're in the flesh (your body is not sin proof) we are still sinners and not perfect. We were created in God's own image. When Adam and Eve were thrown out of Eden, God made sure they would be able to survive in this world of sin, but can we obey God's word and be welcomed in the Kingdom of God?
I find some evolutionists funny. I talked to a person in the evc chat room. This person said he didn't believe in God. In the evc chat room, I've been asked a lot of questions. I answered those questions the best I could. Well it seems this time, the same person decided to ignore some of my questions based on a debate between a believer (me) and a disbeliever in God. Is it easy to ask a believer in God to answer some questions, but it's too hard when it's the disbeliever's turn to be asked to answer some questions?
I hear a lot of people that test God. They tell God to show them proof of his existence. I tell them the Lord has proof, but it's really odd when somebody asks for proof but has chosen a belief, so basically it's not that there's no proof of God, cause there is proof, but they just don't really care for it and they really don't know what they want.
The Bible has become a very important book, ever since it was written, translated, and was copied so that it could be a way everybody could understand God and learn more about him.
By a lot of people, the bible is considered not important, just a fantasy. So why was it so important to be translated, copied, and is found in every book store, library, etc? If it's not important, why go through all the trouble to have it in every country?
Well that's all I have to say for now.
Please respond with your opinions, beliefs, and questions for me.
Thank you.
Edited by ThyShall, : correction
Edited by ThyShall, : ...
Edited by AdminPD, : Some grammatical cleanup.

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Message 2 of 8 (435127)
11-19-2007 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Am5n
11-19-2007 12:49 AM


I see a few problems with the proposal:
  1. The proposal appears to assume that evolutionists do not believe in God. Whether this is so could be a valid topic of discussion, and I could promote a thread focused solely on this question.
  2. The proposal appears to assume that evolutionary science stands in opposition to the existence of God. Whether this is so could be a valid topic of discussion, and I could promote a thread focused solely on this question.
  3. Much of the proposal seems focused on the question of the evidence for the existence of God, and I could promote a thread focused solely on this question.
If you can modify your proposal to focus on just one issue then it has a better chance of being promoted.

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Message 3 of 8 (435147)
11-19-2007 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Am5n
11-19-2007 12:49 AM


Thy Shall revise and improve thine topic
ThyShall writes:
Is it easy to ask a believer in God to answer some questions, but it's too hard when it's the disbeliever's turn to be asked to answer some questions?
This is a good point to focus on.
The issue that Percy brings up is important in developing your topic. For instance,
ThyShall writes:
I tell them the Lord has proof, but it's really odd when somebody asks for proof but has chosen a belief, so basically it's not that there's no proof of God, cause there is proof, but they just don't really care for it and they really don't know what they want.
The definition of proof is a really tricky one.
For you or I, we as believers have all of our internal "proof" that we need. If we were really honest with ourselves, however, we would be able to admit that our proof is in reality a belief.
proof--the evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or fact 2 : a process or operation that establishes validity or truth : test 3 : a trial impression (as from type) 4 : a trial print from a photographic negative 5 : alcoholic content (as of a beverage) indicated by a number that is twice the percent by volume of alcohol present
be”lief1 : confidence, trust 2 : something (as a tenet or creed) believed syn conviction, opinion, persuasion, sentiment
In order for you to frame this issue and construct a grand proposed new topic, you can choose to approach your issue either scientifically, which demands proof based on evidence.
You can also choose to have your topic presented in the Faith&Belief forums. There is no need to preach to anyone, although you can do so if you really feel it helpful (or if God tells you to do so)
ThyShall writes:
People are ignorant. We are all sinners.
This may be universally true or it may only be true in the contexts of your belief, but it is not a good way to start a topic. You may present your case why you believe that people are ignorant, but be forewarned that many critics attack the authenticity of the Bible by using the same argument. Whether they are right or wrong is not for you or I to determine, anyway.
Lets narrow the topic down....I'll give you some time to rework it.

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Message 4 of 8 (435162)
11-19-2007 2:12 PM


I'm pretty sure all of you know that the Bible was written many ages before Darwin's birth, life, and novel. I find it strange that in today's society, where many people can just easily say "evolution dominates God".
I hear a lot of people that test God. They tell God to show them proof of his existence. I tell them the Lord has proof, but it's really odd when somebody asks for proof but has chosen a belief, so basically it's not that there's no proof of God, cause there is proof, but they just don't really care for it and they really don't know what they want, so its kinda pointless wouldn't you agree?
I find some evolutionists and atheist humanist funny. I talked to a person in the evc chat room. This person said he didn't believe in God. In the evc chat room, I've been asked a lot of questions. I answered those questions the best I could. Well it seems this time, the same person decided to ignore some of my questions based on a debate between a believer (me) and a disbeliever in God. Is it easy to ask a believer in God to answer some questions, but it's too hard when it's the disbeliever's turn to be asked to answer some questions?
Edited by Amen., : No reason given.

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Message 5 of 8 (435174)
11-19-2007 4:38 PM
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11-19-2007 2:12 PM


Sorry, Amen., this makes it even more difficult to divine the topic you'd like to discuss. Do you want to talk about how evolutionists deny proof of God? Or about how they choose a belief without proof? Or about the proof of God itself?

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Message 6 of 8 (435271)
11-20-2007 5:28 AM
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11-19-2007 4:38 PM


could you promote something like this?
The Bible has become a very important book, ever since it was written, translated, and was copied so that it could be a way everybody could understand God and learn more about him.
By a lot of people, the bible is considered not important, just a fantasy. So why was it so important to be translated, copied, and is found in every book store, library, etc? If it's not important, why go through all the trouble to have it in every country?
I'd like to discuss this topic in The Coffee House forum.
Edited by Amen., : Good Reason

2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you and you shall answer me." JOB 38:23

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Message 7 of 8 (435274)
11-20-2007 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Am5n
11-20-2007 5:28 AM


I don't think you need to propose a PNT if you just want to put this in the Coffee House, but your topic also doesn't really sound suitable for the coffee house. However I would suggest a possible counterargument might be raised in the form of Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.
TTFN,
AW

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11-20-2007 6:42 AM
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11-20-2007 5:28 AM


This post has been promoted as How to explain disbelief in the all-important Bible?.

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