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Author Topic:   should creationism be taught in schools?
purpledawn
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Message 208 of 301 (436035)
11-24-2007 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by Beretta
11-24-2007 2:20 AM


What is the Advantange
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Facts don't speak for themselves they must be interpreted, why should evolutionists refuse to allow the opposition's interpretations to be shown? If the reality of evolution is so obvious, children will get the point and evolutionists shouldn't be scared of that approach.
So your reasoning is to teach our children all interpretations and let them weed out what is right?
Since churches teach, children of religion are already taught about their respective creation beliefs and can then make the choice you speak of. I don't understand the need to have it taught along side secular science also.
Creationism is a religious view and I don't see that there is even a consensus among Christians that creationism is viable outside of religion.
What purpose does it serve other than to expose more children to religion?

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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purpledawn
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Message 253 of 301 (436327)
11-25-2007 6:52 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Beretta
11-25-2007 2:01 AM


Not What but Why
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I really truelly believe in the existance of a creator for so many many reasons. I also believe there are more than enough scientific reason to believe that. I also know that being taught evolution helped me push the concept, and I believe reality, of God aside because evolution and the belief in a specific creator, the one in the Judeo-Christian Bible, do not gel. I accepted the one (evolution), I lost the other. You'd probably be surprised how many people have connected the dots the same way.Later when I started to read about the evidence against evolution (not micro), I felt cheated by a system that gave no choice and effectively took away my childhood belief in God by not allowing for that possibility; that taught as fact that which is not provable.
The problem is you're not getting to the why of the matter in your posts. I touched on the issue in Message 208.
It sounds as though you feel creationism should be taught in secular schools to give it more authority in the eyes of children. As a child you made a choice and now you feel it was the wrong choice. That is not the fault of the system. It was the responsibility of your religion to train you in creationism if they felt it necessary.
We make many choices as children and tend to change our minds as adults when we have access to more information and have experienced life a bit more.
Not everyone pushes God aside as you did. That was your own choice. I have heard of people who have gone the opposite as you have. They chose creationism and after they got older they connected dots that led them away from creationism, but not necessarily God. It was your choice to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The secular school system is just that secular and creationism is part of religion and should be taught in religious venues, not secular.

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purpledawn
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Message 277 of 301 (436512)
11-26-2007 7:09 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Beretta
11-25-2007 9:27 AM


Churches Fail
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Because many children don't go to church so they will never hear that side of things. Since children go to school, they will all have the opportunity to hear the evolution side of things.Also, one hour a week in church (for those who go) is unlikely to counter the evolutionary indoctination in the school because they will be left thinking the Bible is a mythical story and that science and reality insist that evolution is the truth.
Science classes don't mention religion at all. They are teaching what mankind has discovered about the secular world we live in, IOW, science.
Religious institutions are responsible for teaching their religious viewpoints to those who wish to learn. Just because a religious institution is doing a poor job of teaching its followers, doesn't mean the secular school system has to take up the slack.
If all religious institutions aren't teaching creationism or ID, again, why should the secular school system pick up the slack? It isn't their job to teach religion.
I would think it would make more sense to revamp the religious teaching system.

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